2. began on 1/4/25…it’s presumably becoming unwieldy, so I’m suggesting a new one beginning today

And just to continue from the previous iteration…

From: dv
ID: 2319887
Subject: re: US Politics 2025 #2
Eh could have been worse. Hegseth was just informing them that they will eliminate woke culture and remove restrictions on physical and emotional abuse in the military (ie “hazing”).

————————————————————————

From: captain_spalding
ID: 2319888
Subject: re: US Politics 2025 #2
dv said:

Eh could have been worse. Hegseth was just informing them that they will eliminate woke culture and remove restrictions on physical and emotional abuse in the military (ie “hazing”).
As i suggested some days back:

Hesgeth ‘commanding’ generals and admirals to assemble, because he hasn’t been getting enough attention lately.

“Look what i can do.”

————————————————————————
From: dv
ID: 2319889
Subject: re: US Politics 2025 #2

Neophyte said:

2. began on 1/4/25…it’s presumably becoming unwieldy, so I’m suggesting a new one beginning today
   

Good idea.

Neophyte said:

And just to continue from the previous iteration…

From: dv
ID: 2319887
Subject: re: US Politics 2025 #2
Eh could have been worse. Hegseth was just informing them that they will eliminate woke culture and remove restrictions on physical and emotional abuse in the military (ie “hazing”).

————————————————————————

From: captain_spalding
ID: 2319888
Subject: re: US Politics 2025 #2
dv said:

Eh could have been worse. Hegseth was just informing them that they will eliminate woke culture and remove restrictions on physical and emotional abuse in the military (ie “hazing”).
As i suggested some days back:

Hesgeth ‘commanding’ generals and admirals to assemble, because he hasn’t been getting enough attention lately.

“Look what i can do.”

————————————————————————
From: dv
ID: 2319889
Subject: re: US Politics 2025 #2

I’m sure they were all incredibly impressed to have their work interrupted to listen to a couple of vanity speeches.

ABC news story on this

buffy said:

Neophyte said:

And just to continue from the previous iteration…

From: dv
ID: 2319887
Subject: re: US Politics 2025 #2
Eh could have been worse. Hegseth was just informing them that they will eliminate woke culture and remove restrictions on physical and emotional abuse in the military (ie “hazing”).

————————————————————————

From: captain_spalding
ID: 2319888
Subject: re: US Politics 2025 #2
dv said:

Eh could have been worse. Hegseth was just informing them that they will eliminate woke culture and remove restrictions on physical and emotional abuse in the military (ie “hazing”).
As i suggested some days back:

Hesgeth ‘commanding’ generals and admirals to assemble, because he hasn’t been getting enough attention lately.

“Look what i can do.”

————————————————————————
From: dv
ID: 2319889
Subject: re: US Politics 2025 #2

I’m sure they were all incredibly impressed to have their work interrupted to listen to a couple of vanity speeches.

ABC news story on this

A waste of time and money. I wonder how many Generals think the same.

Tau.Neutrino said:

buffy said:

Neophyte said:

And just to continue from the previous iteration…

From: dv
ID: 2319887
Subject: re: US Politics 2025 #2
Eh could have been worse. Hegseth was just informing them that they will eliminate woke culture and remove restrictions on physical and emotional abuse in the military (ie “hazing”).

————————————————————————

From: captain_spalding
ID: 2319888
Subject: re: US Politics 2025 #2
dv said:

Eh could have been worse. Hegseth was just informing them that they will eliminate woke culture and remove restrictions on physical and emotional abuse in the military (ie “hazing”).
As i suggested some days back:

Hesgeth ‘commanding’ generals and admirals to assemble, because he hasn’t been getting enough attention lately.

“Look what i can do.”

————————————————————————
From: dv
ID: 2319889
Subject: re: US Politics 2025 #2

I’m sure they were all incredibly impressed to have their work interrupted to listen to a couple of vanity speeches.

ABC news story on this

A waste of time and money. I wonder how many Generals think the same.

I wonder, do you get to be a general in the US military if you are a rwnj?

kii said:

sounds like good news

Every headline reads like satire.

Trump strikes deal with Pfizer, launches TrumpRx website to provide lower cost medications.

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/09/30/nx-s1-5558432/drug-prices-trumprx-pfizer

“He posted photos from the Oval Office meeting with the hats prominently displayed on the Resolute Desk on Tuesday (Wednesday AEST).”

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/australian-world-news-live-updates-trump-threatens-mass-firings-with-shutdown-hours-away-20251001-p5mz4o

fsm said:

“He posted photos from the Oval Office meeting with the hats prominently displayed on the Resolute Desk on Tuesday (Wednesday AEST).”

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/australian-world-news-live-updates-trump-threatens-mass-firings-with-shutdown-hours-away-20251001-p5mz4o

Is that the same desk that Bill Clinton use?

fsm said:

“He posted photos from the Oval Office meeting with the hats prominently displayed on the Resolute Desk on Tuesday (Wednesday AEST).”

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/australian-world-news-live-updates-trump-threatens-mass-firings-with-shutdown-hours-away-20251001-p5mz4o

well that’s good news everyone knows that the strongest bestest greatest military in the world no the universe will benefit from the stability of a glorious supreme leader who stays the course instead of the lame anserine flip flopping of democracies changing their minds every few years

https://www.trumpstore.com/product/trump-2028-hat/

SCIENCE said:

fsm said:

“He posted photos from the Oval Office meeting with the hats prominently displayed on the Resolute Desk on Tuesday (Wednesday AEST).”

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/australian-world-news-live-updates-trump-threatens-mass-firings-with-shutdown-hours-away-20251001-p5mz4o

well that’s good news everyone knows that the strongest bestest greatest military in the world no the universe will benefit from the stability of a glorious supreme leader who stays the course instead of the lame anserine flip flopping of democracies changing their minds every few years

I wonder how they ready they are if they fight a foe with similar capabilities.
Its usually them attacking targets from well protected carrier groups.
I’d assume if it came to this we could be looking at the start of World War 3

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

fsm said:

“He posted photos from the Oval Office meeting with the hats prominently displayed on the Resolute Desk on Tuesday (Wednesday AEST).”

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/australian-world-news-live-updates-trump-threatens-mass-firings-with-shutdown-hours-away-20251001-p5mz4o

well that’s good news everyone knows that the strongest bestest greatest military in the world no the universe will benefit from the stability of a glorious supreme leader who stays the course instead of the lame anserine flip flopping of democracies changing their minds every few years

I wonder how they ready they are if they fight a foe with similar capabilities.
Its usually them attacking targets from well protected carrier groups.
I’d assume if it came to this we could be looking at the start of World War 3

oh calm down the fascists haven’t annexed any of their big neighbours yet, even if they speak the same language, but we guess that’s because these neighbours know it’s a shit idea

Divine Angel said:

Every headline reads like satire.

Trump strikes deal with Pfizer, launches TrumpRx website to provide lower cost medications.

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/09/30/nx-s1-5558432/drug-prices-trumprx-pfizer

Are all the pills gold-coloured?

The shutdown has started.. let’s see who blinks first

diddly-squat said:

The shutdown has started.. let’s see who blinks first

I’m going for TACOs!

captain_spalding said:

Divine Angel said:

Every headline reads like satire.

Trump strikes deal with Pfizer, launches TrumpRx website to provide lower cost medications.

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/09/30/nx-s1-5558432/drug-prices-trumprx-pfizer

Are all the pills gold-coloured?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_aurothiomalate

diddly-squat said:

The shutdown has started.. let’s see who blinks first

alleged

Trump’s Regime Needs To Be Called Out For The Fascists They Are

It is Monday, September 29th.
This is the warning.
And on this Monday, there is much to
warn you about. What word in the English
language best describes Attorney General
Pam Bondi beyond shrill, belligerent,
and corrupt? Now, I’m going to show you
a video. This video, one day, it will be
grounds for her disparment. Pam Bondi is
a young woman and she’ll live a long
life hopefully and hopefully every
second of it will weigh down on her so
she can ponder her disgrace. Her raising
of her hand against her country, this
despicable woman. What she is is a
fascist. Let’s watch.
We’re witnessing a new era of political
violence. Assassins have tried to murder
President Trump twice and tried to kill
Supreme Court Justice Kavanaaugh. In
Minnesota, legislators and even children
attending mass were gunned down in cold
blood in two separate incidents.
And an assassin targeted and murdered
our friend Charlie Kirk. A sniper shot
three people at a Texas ICE facility.
And now more than 200 violent rioters
were at a Chicago ICE facility chanting
arrest ICE, shoot ICE. At least one had
a gun. We’ve seen this before. We saw it
in Portland and with the LA riots. These
are not peaceful protests. These are
coordinated attacks by radical
extremists and they end now. Anyone who
threatens or assaults our federal
officers will be arrested and charged
federally, not in some liberal state
court. Same goes for anyone who’s
funding and aiding these extremists. You
will be dismantled brick by brick. We
are taking our country back. Make
America safe again.
the dishonesty, the preining, the
exclusion of violent incident after
violent incident after violent incident
because it does not fit her sick
partisan narrative is beyond belief.
Justice in this country, America, is
supposed to be blind, but not anymore.
Pam Bondi, a lawyer, the chief law
enforcement officer of the United
States, the runner up to Matt Gates in
the Trump contest to fill that job with
a hack who would get on his or her knees
for the Orange King is all that was
required. And Donald got his gal. You
could say he grabbed her by the Well,
we’ll just leave it there. But here’s
the deal with Pam Bondi, who forgot
about the kidnapping attempt on Gretchen
Whitmer, who erased from history the
assassination
of the Democratic leader of the
Minnesota legislature. Not 8 years ago,
not 7 years ago, but 2 months ago, her
husband was killed, their dog was
killed, and other Democrats were killed.
And yesterday, a Mormon temple was
attacked by a United States Marine
veteran who lit it on fire. And on the
other side of the country, another
United States Marine veteran attacked a
dock full of innocent people from his
boat. Antifa Pam Bondi. Should we
prosecute all of the Marine Corps?
Should we ask the Army to attack it? Is
the Marine Corps now a terrorist
organization? Or is the new definition
of terrorism anybody with the integrity,
the guts, and the grit to stand up
against you, your thugs, your bullies,
and call because is
what it all is. In America, we have
rights. And they don’t come from Donald
Trump. Let me give you an example of how
the rights work. Because they don’t work
the way the Florida skank suggests they
do. They work the way Gavin Newsome has
suggested they do. For instance, when he
properly and correctly identified Steven
Miller, a little Ikeman, as a fascist,
and make no mistake, Steven Miller is as
much a Nazi as was Joseph Gobles. The
difference between goals and Miller is
the years is the language is a clubbed
foot and a different boss. That’s it.
Let’s watch the fascist Steven Miller
party does not fight for, care about, or
represent American citizens. It is an
entity devoted exclusively to the
defense of hardened criminals,
gangbangers, and illegal alien killers
and terrorists. The Democrat party is
not a political party. It is a domestic
extremist organization.
Talk about his hate for you, his fellow
Americans. And so Gavin Newsome said
he’s a fascist using his newsroom
account. And then the leader of the
platoon of disgraceful Navy
Seals serving in the United States
Congress from Wisconsin, Derek Van Odin,
suggested that Gavin Newsome should be
investigated and locked up by the FBI
run by the bugeyed freak show Cash
Patel. Think about that. A Navy Seal
elected to Congress thinks Gavin Newsome
should be prosecuted because he dared to
say that Steven Miller is what he is,
which is a fascist. Gavin Newsome should
be locked up. I don’t know, Derek. Put
against the wall. How many people should
be locked up for saying Donald’s a
fascist or Pam Bondi is a skank or
Christy Gnome is banging Cory Louu
Andowski? How many, Derek? Here in
America, you got to say what you want
and think what you want and believe what
you want. And here’s what I believe. I
believe Donald Trump is a pig and I know
he’s a fascist. I know he’s insane. And
I know the Republican party, its members
in Congress are weaklings. Each of them,
every one is a moral coward, whether
they wear the seal insignia or not. Any
American who wishes to point a gun at
another American because of what they
believe is a domestic enemy of the
Constitution. And when it comes to
Donald Trump’s cabinet of freaks and
felons and drunks and accused rapists
and liars and frauds and sociopaths and
grifters, calling those people out for
what they are, it’s as American as apple
pie. Don’t forget that. And do not be
afraid of these people. Do not be
intimidated by these people. Instead,
when they scream at you, laugh back at
them. And if there’s a knock on your
door because of something you said,
don’t invite the federal thugs in. Tell
them to get the off your property.
Here in America, we have no king and we
certainly have no dictator. What we do
have is a demented 79year-old surrounded
by sickopants pretending he is one
because no one in 10 long years has told
him he’s full of he lost an election and
he’s deeply unpopular. But he is. And so
now the consequences of an election are
laid perfectly bare. Let’s understand
the most important lesson, which is
anybody who tells you elections in
America don’t have consequences and your
vote doesn’t count, maybe just like
Trump, they’re trying to con you. And
this is your warning on Monday,
September the 29th.
I’m Steve Schmidt. This is the warning.
I invite you to join this community
where I promise to be honest, blunt, and
direct about what is happening in this
country. America is in crisis. Follow
and subscribe to this channel and on
Substack. Thank you.

fsm said:

diddly-squat said:

The shutdown has started.. let’s see who blinks first

what if it’s an ayatollah and not a president

SCIENCE said:

alleged

Trump’s Regime Needs To Be Called Out For The Fascists They Are

It is Monday, September 29th.
This is the warning.
And on this Monday, there is much to
warn you about. What word in the English
language best describes Attorney General
Pam Bondi beyond shrill, belligerent,
and corrupt? Now, I’m going to show you
a video. This video, one day, it will be
grounds for her disparment. Pam Bondi is
a young woman and she’ll live a long
life hopefully and hopefully every
second of it will weigh down on her so
she can ponder her disgrace. Her raising
of her hand against her country, this
despicable woman. What she is is a
fascist. Let’s watch.
We’re witnessing a new era of political
violence. Assassins have tried to murder
President Trump twice and tried to kill
Supreme Court Justice Kavanaaugh. In
Minnesota, legislators and even children
attending mass were gunned down in cold
blood in two separate incidents.
And an assassin targeted and murdered
our friend Charlie Kirk. A sniper shot
three people at a Texas ICE facility.
And now more than 200 violent rioters
were at a Chicago ICE facility chanting
arrest ICE, shoot ICE. At least one had
a gun. We’ve seen this before. We saw it
in Portland and with the LA riots. These
are not peaceful protests. These are
coordinated attacks by radical
extremists and they end now. Anyone who
threatens or assaults our federal
officers will be arrested and charged
federally, not in some liberal state
court. Same goes for anyone who’s
funding and aiding these extremists. You
will be dismantled brick by brick. We
are taking our country back. Make
America safe again.
the dishonesty, the preining, the
exclusion of violent incident after
violent incident after violent incident
because it does not fit her sick
partisan narrative is beyond belief.
Justice in this country, America, is
supposed to be blind, but not anymore.
Pam Bondi, a lawyer, the chief law
enforcement officer of the United
States, the runner up to Matt Gates in
the Trump contest to fill that job with
a hack who would get on his or her knees
for the Orange King is all that was
required. And Donald got his gal. You
could say he grabbed her by the Well,
we’ll just leave it there. But here’s
the deal with Pam Bondi, who forgot
about the kidnapping attempt on Gretchen
Whitmer, who erased from history the
assassination
of the Democratic leader of the
Minnesota legislature. Not 8 years ago,
not 7 years ago, but 2 months ago, her
husband was killed, their dog was
killed, and other Democrats were killed.
And yesterday, a Mormon temple was
attacked by a United States Marine
veteran who lit it on fire. And on the
other side of the country, another
United States Marine veteran attacked a
dock full of innocent people from his
boat. Antifa Pam Bondi. Should we
prosecute all of the Marine Corps?
Should we ask the Army to attack it? Is
the Marine Corps now a terrorist
organization? Or is the new definition
of terrorism anybody with the integrity,
the guts, and the grit to stand up
against you, your thugs, your bullies,
and call because is
what it all is. In America, we have
rights. And they don’t come from Donald
Trump. Let me give you an example of how
the rights work. Because they don’t work
the way the Florida skank suggests they
do. They work the way Gavin Newsome has
suggested they do. For instance, when he
properly and correctly identified Steven
Miller, a little Ikeman, as a fascist,
and make no mistake, Steven Miller is as
much a Nazi as was Joseph Gobles. The
difference between goals and Miller is
the years is the language is a clubbed
foot and a different boss. That’s it.
Let’s watch the fascist Steven Miller
party does not fight for, care about, or
represent American citizens. It is an
entity devoted exclusively to the
defense of hardened criminals,
gangbangers, and illegal alien killers
and terrorists. The Democrat party is
not a political party. It is a domestic
extremist organization.
Talk about his hate for you, his fellow
Americans. And so Gavin Newsome said
he’s a fascist using his newsroom
account. And then the leader of the
platoon of disgraceful Navy
Seals serving in the United States
Congress from Wisconsin, Derek Van Odin,
suggested that Gavin Newsome should be
investigated and locked up by the FBI
run by the bugeyed freak show Cash
Patel. Think about that. A Navy Seal
elected to Congress thinks Gavin Newsome
should be prosecuted because he dared to
say that Steven Miller is what he is,
which is a fascist. Gavin Newsome should
be locked up. I don’t know, Derek. Put
against the wall. How many people should
be locked up for saying Donald’s a
fascist or Pam Bondi is a skank or
Christy Gnome is banging Cory Louu
Andowski? How many, Derek? Here in
America, you got to say what you want
and think what you want and believe what
you want. And here’s what I believe. I
believe Donald Trump is a pig and I know
he’s a fascist. I know he’s insane. And
I know the Republican party, its members
in Congress are weaklings. Each of them,
every one is a moral coward, whether
they wear the seal insignia or not. Any
American who wishes to point a gun at
another American because of what they
believe is a domestic enemy of the
Constitution. And when it comes to
Donald Trump’s cabinet of freaks and
felons and drunks and accused rapists
and liars and frauds and sociopaths and
grifters, calling those people out for
what they are, it’s as American as apple
pie. Don’t forget that. And do not be
afraid of these people. Do not be
intimidated by these people. Instead,
when they scream at you, laugh back at
them. And if there’s a knock on your
door because of something you said,
don’t invite the federal thugs in. Tell
them to get the off your property.
Here in America, we have no king and we
certainly have no dictator. What we do
have is a demented 79year-old surrounded
by sickopants pretending he is one
because no one in 10 long years has told
him he’s full of he lost an election and
he’s deeply unpopular. But he is. And so
now the consequences of an election are
laid perfectly bare. Let’s understand
the most important lesson, which is
anybody who tells you elections in
America don’t have consequences and your
vote doesn’t count, maybe just like
Trump, they’re trying to con you. And
this is your warning on Monday,
September the 29th.
I’m Steve Schmidt. This is the warning.
I invite you to join this community
where I promise to be honest, blunt, and
direct about what is happening in this
country. America is in crisis. Follow
and subscribe to this channel and on
Substack. Thank you.

Apparently ICE is adopting Ice Ice Baby as its song to play while they go all Gestapo.

Its not beyond belief that Trump would have some sort of doomsday plan if he gets deposed or doesn’t get re-elected

Cymek said:

Its not beyond belief that Trump would have some sort of doomsday plan if he gets deposed or doesn’t get re-elected

he can’t be re-elected

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

Its not beyond belief that Trump would have some sort of doomsday plan if he gets deposed or doesn’t get re-elected

he can’t be re-elected

Not a problem if he does away with elections

LOL

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

Its not beyond belief that Trump would have some sort of doomsday plan if he gets deposed or doesn’t get re-elected

he can’t be re-elected

You’re so funny, thinking that all is normal 😆

Neophyte said:

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

Its not beyond belief that Trump would have some sort of doomsday plan if he gets deposed or doesn’t get re-elected

he can’t be re-elected

Not a problem if he does away with elections

another thing he can’t actually do

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

Its not beyond belief that Trump would have some sort of doomsday plan if he gets deposed or doesn’t get re-elected

he can’t be re-elected

You’re so funny, thinking that all is normal 😆

well it is hilarious

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Divine Angel said:

Every headline reads like satire.

Trump strikes deal with Pfizer, launches TrumpRx website to provide lower cost medications.

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/09/30/nx-s1-5558432/drug-prices-trumprx-pfizer

Are all the pills gold-coloured?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_aurothiomalate

I foresee problems with TrumpRx medicines.

All of the pills will be gold-coloured. They’ll come in little gold-coloured bottles. The labels will be gold-coloured. The printing on the labels will be gold-coloured.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Are all the pills gold-coloured?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_aurothiomalate

I foresee problems with TrumpRx medicines.

All of the pills will be gold-coloured. They’ll come in little gold-coloured bottles. The labels will be gold-coloured. The printing on the labels will be gold-coloured.

Spend $47 and get a free MAGA hat.

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_aurothiomalate

I foresee problems with TrumpRx medicines.

All of the pills will be gold-coloured. They’ll come in little gold-coloured bottles. The labels will be gold-coloured. The printing on the labels will be gold-coloured.

Spend $47 and get a free MAGA hat.

I want I gold MAGA hat, with gold lettering.

If we suppose that there is a US Presidential election in 2028:

Trump will be 82 on the November election day. Joe Biden was 81 on the last election day (although his 82nd birthday was just a couple of weeks later).

Remember all of the noise that Republicans/MAGA made about Joe being ‘too old’? They’ll not be discussing ages the next time around.

However, if the Democrats come up with a viable candidate (Gavn Newsom?), we may hear mention of the age of the incumbent President, from a different quarter.

It would be interesting to see how the Republican side explains that such criticism was entirely valid in 2024, but it’s of no siginificance in 2028.

captain_spalding said:

If we suppose that there is a US Presidential election in 2028:

Trump will be 82 on the November election day. Joe Biden was 81 on the last election day (although his 82nd birthday was just a couple of weeks later).

Remember all of the noise that Republicans/MAGA made about Joe being ‘too old’? They’ll not be discussing ages the next time around.

However, if the Democrats come up with a viable candidate (Gavn Newsom?), we may hear mention of the age of the incumbent President, from a different quarter.

It would be interesting to see how the Republican side explains that such criticism was entirely valid in 2024, but it’s of no siginificance in 2028.

These young wippersnippers lack the maturity and wisdom that comes with age.

I’d be surprised if Trump sees Christmas 2025 let alone the dawn of 2028.

Divine Angel said:

I’d be surprised if Trump sees Christmas 2025 let alone the dawn of 2028.

is he blind

Divine Angel said:

I’d be surprised if Trump sees Christmas 2025 let alone the dawn of 2028.

It woild be nice if the only way we could see or hear Trump at Christmas was in re-runs of ‘Home Alone 2’.

captain_spalding said:

If we suppose that there is a US Presidential election in 2028:

Trump will be 82 on the November election day. Joe Biden was 81 on the last election day (although his 82nd birthday was just a couple of weeks later).

Remember all of the noise that Republicans/MAGA made about Joe being ‘too old’? They’ll not be discussing ages the next time around.

However, if the Democrats come up with a viable candidate (Gavn Newsom?), we may hear mention of the age of the incumbent President, from a different quarter.

It would be interesting to see how the Republican side explains that such criticism was entirely valid in 2024, but it’s of no siginificance in 2028.

the chance of Trump running for election is 2028 is actual 0%

captain_spalding said:

Divine Angel said:

I’d be surprised if Trump sees Christmas 2025 let alone the dawn of 2028.

It woild be nice if the only way we could see or hear Trump at Christmas was in re-runs of ‘Home Alone 2’.

Disney owns Touchstone Pictures, which released HA2. To really stand up to him, they should delete his fifteen second appearance.

While there have been a number of controversial Supreme Court decisions in recent years, two of them have been considered by scholars to be against but the literal text of the Constitution and also the intent of the Framers: that on presidential immunity, and that providing the President with power to withhold aid that has been approved by Congress.
The cases against these rulings appear to be stronger than the case against DJT seeking a backdoor third term by having a separate President and VP win, having the President resign and the VP become President, having the new P appoint DJT VP, and then having the new P resign, thus having DJT become president and getting around the prohibition of a person being elected as P or VP after two terms as President. It requires a tortuous reading of the Amendment, and is plainly against the intent, but the court has shown itself willing to debase itself fully and there’s literally no higher court to appeal to.

dv said:

While there have been a number of controversial Supreme Court decisions in recent years, two of them have been considered by scholars to be against but the literal text of the Constitution and also the intent of the Framers: that on presidential immunity, and that providing the President with power to withhold aid that has been approved by Congress.
The cases against these rulings appear to be stronger than the case against DJT seeking a backdoor third term by having a separate President and VP win, having the President resign and the VP become President, having the new P appoint DJT VP, and then having the new P resign, thus having DJT become president and getting around the prohibition of a person being elected as P or VP after two terms as President. It requires a tortuous reading of the Amendment, and is plainly against the intent, but the court has shown itself willing to debase itself fully and there’s literally no higher court to appeal to.

not only would this scenario involve the court ruling in favor of it, it would also require that two separate people relinquish the power of the presidency

White Rose Resistance

Donald Trump walked into Quantico Tuesday expecting a rally. He got a funeral.

The generals sat in perfect silence, faces locked in the kind of grim stillness that comes from years of watching idiots talk and choosing not to react. Trump, of course, couldn’t handle it. “I’ve never walked into a room so silent before,” he confessed, his voice trembling somewhere between wounded pride and panic. Then came the kicker: “If you want to applaud, you applaud.”

This wasn’t leadership. This was a washed-up Vegas act begging the crowd to clap. The Commander-in-Chief turned into the Clapper-in-Chief, reduced to prodding the nation’s top brass like a sad carnival barker who forgot his punchline.

A campaign rally in uniform.

Instead of strategy, Trump delivered his usual medley of grievances: Barack Obama ruined everything, Joe Biden ruined it twice as hard, and only Donald J. Trump, self-proclaimed “two-term, maybe three-term president” could save America. It was less a military briefing than an episode of The Apprentice: Pentagon Edition. The generals, trained to withstand battlefield chaos, sat stone-faced through the barrage of nonsense. They have endured artillery fire with more enthusiasm.

Enter Pete Hegseth, America’s Pastor-in-Arms. Trump’s “Secretary of War” took the podium with the intensity of a man who thinks Tom Clancy novels are actual military doctrine. He promised “fire and brimstone,” called for purges of “fat generals,” and announced he wants the next war to look exactly like the Gulf War, because apparently it’s still 1991 and CNN is running that same grainy footage of tanks in the desert. But Hegseth wasn’t done. He led them in prayer. Yes, prayer. The nation’s top generals, summoned by presidential ego, now folded into a forced altar call like extras at a megachurch revival. The separation of church and state?

Obliterated. Constitution? Shredded. Jesus, apparently, is now Commander-in-Chief. Trump can play Vice.
Weakness on parade.

Trump likes to brag about firing generals who “aren’t warriors.” But on Tuesday, the real firing squad was silence. Not one clap. Not one cheer. Just the steady hum of contempt vibrating off the brass like feedback from a dead microphone. These men and women have seen actual combat. They’ve buried soldiers. They’ve lived with the weight of real command. And now they’re expected to cheer for a man who brags about moving “a submarine or two” like it’s a toy in a bathtub, or who lectures about “two N-words” as though nuclear strategy were a stand-up routine. No wonder they didn’t clap.

The pin-drop presidency.

What happened at Quantico wasn’t just awkward. It was diagnostic. Trump’s presidency is a hollow shell propped up by applause, and when the applause disappears, so does he.

And Hegseth? He’s the zealot-in-chief, delivering sermons about war and Christ in equal measure, a man confusing the Book of Revelation with the Pentagon’s operations manual. Together, they make quite the duo: one desperate for claps, the other desperate for amens. The generals gave them neither. Instead, they gave silence, the most cutting judgment of all.”

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

While there have been a number of controversial Supreme Court decisions in recent years, two of them have been considered by scholars to be against but the literal text of the Constitution and also the intent of the Framers: that on presidential immunity, and that providing the President with power to withhold aid that has been approved by Congress.
The cases against these rulings appear to be stronger than the case against DJT seeking a backdoor third term by having a separate President and VP win, having the President resign and the VP become President, having the new P appoint DJT VP, and then having the new P resign, thus having DJT become president and getting around the prohibition of a person being elected as P or VP after two terms as President. It requires a tortuous reading of the Amendment, and is plainly against the intent, but the court has shown itself willing to debase itself fully and there’s literally no higher court to appeal to.

not only would this scenario involve the court ruling in favor of it, it would also require that two separate people relinquish the power of the presidency

So indeed it would.

Me? I’m moderately optimistic that the Party will see fit to wash its hands of this fellow sooner rather than later.

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

While there have been a number of controversial Supreme Court decisions in recent years, two of them have been considered by scholars to be against but the literal text of the Constitution and also the intent of the Framers: that on presidential immunity, and that providing the President with power to withhold aid that has been approved by Congress.
The cases against these rulings appear to be stronger than the case against DJT seeking a backdoor third term by having a separate President and VP win, having the President resign and the VP become President, having the new P appoint DJT VP, and then having the new P resign, thus having DJT become president and getting around the prohibition of a person being elected as P or VP after two terms as President. It requires a tortuous reading of the Amendment, and is plainly against the intent, but the court has shown itself willing to debase itself fully and there’s literally no higher court to appeal to.

not only would this scenario involve the court ruling in favor of it, it would also require that two separate people relinquish the power of the presidency

So indeed it would.

Me? I’m moderately optimistic that the Party will see fit to wash its hands of this fellow sooner rather than later.

I think practically the only way that happens is if the GOP end up in electoral wipeout in 2028 where the blame can be lain on only one person (that being DJT) anything short of this and the MAGA Republican movement will continue on in his image.

I also think that if Trump were to die before any blame were to be attributed to him, then he would just become the first MAGA saint and again MAGA Republicanism continues.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1FmdPoyWDU/

Projection

I really believe a high chance exists that Trump will try to sustain power by force.
The USA is set up that the military could take over the nation.
Recruit the USA modern day equivalent of brown shirts whose only motivation is to be allowed to do what they want to detainees.
Zealous patriotism is so very dangerous as people believe to their core they are righteous and superior.
Not like history isn’t littered with examples

Cymek said:

I really believe a high chance exists that Trump will try to sustain power by force.
The USA is set up that the military could take over the nation.
Recruit the USA modern day equivalent of brown shirts whose only motivation is to be allowed to do what they want to detainees.
Zealous patriotism is so very dangerous as people believe to their core they are righteous and superior.
Not like history isn’t littered with examples

If push comes to shove things will get bloody even without the intervention of the military or the various national guards.

Cymek said:

I really believe a high chance exists that Trump will try to sustain power by force.
The USA is set up that the military could take over the nation.
Recruit the USA modern day equivalent of brown shirts whose only motivation is to be allowed to do what they want to detainees.
Zealous patriotism is so very dangerous as people believe to their core they are righteous and superior.
Not like history isn’t littered with examples

As has been stated here quite a few times before, the American military take an oath to defend the nation, and to defend the Constitution.

Pretty much all of them take that oath quite seriously. Quite seriously, indeed.

As noted in the article quoted in a post only a few minutes back, very senior officers in the US military are not easily impressed by the posturings and shenanigans of political clowns. And, a lot of them are keen students of history.

The US military could, quite conceivably, take over the nation. I suggest, however, that it would be more likely to do that to thwart Trump’s ambitions, rather than to aid them.

American admirals and generals have been involved in, and inculcated by, a military philosophy which emphasises an apolitical stance by the US military. They might well take control of government, but would be less inclined to retain that control than some of us might think.

The US would be horribly weak while all of the ructions are going on, vulnerable to other world players who would gleefully take advantage of the situation, so the military might well be keen to return as soon as possible to to its usual role.

It’s quite likely that, once order had been restored, they’d undertake negotiation with civilian political bodies and figures to implement a return to civilian government.

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

I really believe a high chance exists that Trump will try to sustain power by force.
The USA is set up that the military could take over the nation.
Recruit the USA modern day equivalent of brown shirts whose only motivation is to be allowed to do what they want to detainees.
Zealous patriotism is so very dangerous as people believe to their core they are righteous and superior.
Not like history isn’t littered with examples

As has been stated here quite a few times before, the American military take an oath to defend the nation, and to defend the Constitution.

Pretty much all of them take that oath quite seriously. Quite seriously, indeed.

As noted in the article quoted in a post only a few minutes back, very senior officers in the US military are not easily impressed by the posturings and shenanigans of political clowns. And, a lot of them are keen students of history.

The US military could, quite conceivably, take over the nation. I suggest, however, that it would be more likely to do that to thwart Trump’s ambitions, rather than to aid them.

American admirals and generals have been involved in, and inculcated by, a military philosophy which emphasises an apolitical stance by the US military. They might well take control of government, but would be less inclined to retain that control than some of us might think.

The US would be horribly weak while all of the ructions are going on, vulnerable to other world players who would gleefully take advantage of the situation, so the military might well be keen to return as soon as possible to to its usual role.

It’s quite likely that, once order had been restored, they’d undertake negotiation with civilian political bodies and figures to implement a return to civilian government.

so the military take over and the believers of freedom and gun uncontrol in the name of defying government will totally go along with it

ChrispenEvan said:

White Rose Resistance

Donald Trump walked into Quantico Tuesday expecting a rally. He got a funeral.

The generals sat in perfect silence, faces locked in the kind of grim stillness that comes from years of watching idiots talk and choosing not to react. Trump, of course, couldn’t handle it. “I’ve never walked into a room so silent before,” he confessed, his voice trembling somewhere between wounded pride and panic. Then came the kicker: “If you want to applaud, you applaud.”

This wasn’t leadership. This was a washed-up Vegas act begging the crowd to clap. The Commander-in-Chief turned into the Clapper-in-Chief, reduced to prodding the nation’s top brass like a sad carnival barker who forgot his punchline.

A campaign rally in uniform.

Instead of strategy, Trump delivered his usual medley of grievances: Barack Obama ruined everything, Joe Biden ruined it twice as hard, and only Donald J. Trump, self-proclaimed “two-term, maybe three-term president” could save America. It was less a military briefing than an episode of The Apprentice: Pentagon Edition. The generals, trained to withstand battlefield chaos, sat stone-faced through the barrage of nonsense. They have endured artillery fire with more enthusiasm.

Enter Pete Hegseth, America’s Pastor-in-Arms. Trump’s “Secretary of War” took the podium with the intensity of a man who thinks Tom Clancy novels are actual military doctrine. He promised “fire and brimstone,” called for purges of “fat generals,” and announced he wants the next war to look exactly like the Gulf War, because apparently it’s still 1991 and CNN is running that same grainy footage of tanks in the desert. But Hegseth wasn’t done. He led them in prayer. Yes, prayer. The nation’s top generals, summoned by presidential ego, now folded into a forced altar call like extras at a megachurch revival. The separation of church and state?

Obliterated. Constitution? Shredded. Jesus, apparently, is now Commander-in-Chief. Trump can play Vice.
Weakness on parade.

Trump likes to brag about firing generals who “aren’t warriors.” But on Tuesday, the real firing squad was silence. Not one clap. Not one cheer. Just the steady hum of contempt vibrating off the brass like feedback from a dead microphone. These men and women have seen actual combat. They’ve buried soldiers. They’ve lived with the weight of real command. And now they’re expected to cheer for a man who brags about moving “a submarine or two” like it’s a toy in a bathtub, or who lectures about “two N-words” as though nuclear strategy were a stand-up routine. No wonder they didn’t clap.

The pin-drop presidency.

What happened at Quantico wasn’t just awkward. It was diagnostic. Trump’s presidency is a hollow shell propped up by applause, and when the applause disappears, so does he.

And Hegseth? He’s the zealot-in-chief, delivering sermons about war and Christ in equal measure, a man confusing the Book of Revelation with the Pentagon’s operations manual. Together, they make quite the duo: one desperate for claps, the other desperate for amens. The generals gave them neither. Instead, they gave silence, the most cutting judgment of all.”

you’d expect that if they had sense and decency and remembered that this was the dude that told everyone that the ones in their ranks who gave the most were losers

dv said:

While there have been a number of controversial Supreme Court decisions in recent years, two of them have been considered by scholars to be against but the literal text of the Constitution and also the intent of the Framers: that on presidential immunity, and that providing the President with power to withhold aid that has been approved by Congress.
The cases against these rulings appear to be stronger than the case against DJT seeking a backdoor third term by having a separate President and VP win, having the President resign and the VP become President, having the new P appoint DJT VP, and then having the new P resign, thus having DJT become president and getting around the prohibition of a person being elected as P or VP after two terms as President. It requires a tortuous reading of the Amendment, and is plainly against the intent, but the court has shown itself willing to debase itself fully and there’s literally no higher court to appeal to.

why resign them when you could remove them

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

I really believe a high chance exists that Trump will try to sustain power by force.
The USA is set up that the military could take over the nation.
Recruit the USA modern day equivalent of brown shirts whose only motivation is to be allowed to do what they want to detainees.
Zealous patriotism is so very dangerous as people believe to their core they are righteous and superior.
Not like history isn’t littered with examples

As has been stated here quite a few times before, the American military take an oath to defend the nation, and to defend the Constitution.

Pretty much all of them take that oath quite seriously. Quite seriously, indeed.

As noted in the article quoted in a post only a few minutes back, very senior officers in the US military are not easily impressed by the posturings and shenanigans of political clowns. And, a lot of them are keen students of history.

The US military could, quite conceivably, take over the nation. I suggest, however, that it would be more likely to do that to thwart Trump’s ambitions, rather than to aid them.

American admirals and generals have been involved in, and inculcated by, a military philosophy which emphasises an apolitical stance by the US military. They might well take control of government, but would be less inclined to retain that control than some of us might think.

The US would be horribly weak while all of the ructions are going on, vulnerable to other world players who would gleefully take advantage of the situation, so the military might well be keen to return as soon as possible to to its usual role.

It’s quite likely that, once order had been restored, they’d undertake negotiation with civilian political bodies and figures to implement a return to civilian government.

so the military take over and the believers of freedom and gun uncontrol in the name of defying government will totally go along with it

They don’t have to go along with it. They could resist.

Of course, unless they have tanks, artillery, helicopter gunships, A-10 Warthogs, cruise missiles, modern fighter jets, man-portable rocket launchers, grenades, strategic bombers, large warships, nuclear submarines, a developed command structure and organisation, and hundreds of thousands of well-trained, well-disciplined, well-equipped people and a variety of other big toys and set-ups, their resistance will be terribly short lived. As will they.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

As has been stated here quite a few times before, the American military take an oath to defend the nation, and to defend the Constitution.

Pretty much all of them take that oath quite seriously. Quite seriously, indeed.

As noted in the article quoted in a post only a few minutes back, very senior officers in the US military are not easily impressed by the posturings and shenanigans of political clowns. And, a lot of them are keen students of history.

The US military could, quite conceivably, take over the nation. I suggest, however, that it would be more likely to do that to thwart Trump’s ambitions, rather than to aid them.

American admirals and generals have been involved in, and inculcated by, a military philosophy which emphasises an apolitical stance by the US military. They might well take control of government, but would be less inclined to retain that control than some of us might think.

The US would be horribly weak while all of the ructions are going on, vulnerable to other world players who would gleefully take advantage of the situation, so the military might well be keen to return as soon as possible to to its usual role.

It’s quite likely that, once order had been restored, they’d undertake negotiation with civilian political bodies and figures to implement a return to civilian government.

so the military take over and the believers of freedom and gun uncontrol in the name of defying government will totally go along with it

They don’t have to go along with it. They could resist.

Of course, unless they have tanks, artillery, helicopter gunships, A-10 Warthogs, cruise missiles, modern fighter jets, man-portable rocket launchers, grenades, strategic bombers, large warships, nuclear submarines, a developed command structure and organisation, and hundreds of thousands of well-trained, well-disciplined, well-equipped people and a variety of other big toys and set-ups, their resistance will be terribly short lived. As will they.

You mean there’ll be a lot of cold, dead hands?

Neophyte said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

so the military take over and the believers of freedom and gun uncontrol in the name of defying government will totally go along with it

They don’t have to go along with it. They could resist.

Of course, unless they have tanks, artillery, helicopter gunships, A-10 Warthogs, cruise missiles, modern fighter jets, man-portable rocket launchers, grenades, strategic bombers, large warships, nuclear submarines, a developed command structure and organisation, and hundreds of thousands of well-trained, well-disciplined, well-equipped people and a variety of other big toys and set-ups, their resistance will be terribly short lived. As will they.

You mean there’ll be a lot of cold, dead hands?

Yes.

Not all of them still attached to cold, dead arms, but that’s modern warfare for you.

Q) What’s the difference between Zelenskyy, Putin, and Trump?

A) Zelenskyy bravely defends his country, Putin maliciously invades a foreign country, and Trump cravenly invades his own country.

From someone on Jay Kuo’s post about the recent gathering of military generals etc.

Jay Kuo’s piece on the gathering of military leadership.
The links mentioned are in the comments under it, on Facebook.

You may have seen it by now. After summoning the nation’s top military leadership from all corners of the world to attend a MAGA-style pep rally, Donald Trump and Pete Hegseth were met with stony silence.

No pin dropped, or we’d have heard it, at the end of Hegseth’s speech, which felt like a mirror-world Ted Talk on straight while male grievance. Had Hegseth known this would be their reaction, he probably wouldn’t have invited the cameras in to record that deafening silence.

Trump seemed off-balance, too, trying to warm up the generals with awkward jokes. “I’ve never walked into a room so silent before. Just have a good time. And if you want to applaud, you applaud,” he urged.

They did not applaud.

The White House should have expected this reaction had it known more about the standards military leadership holds itself to. To illustrate this disconnect, let’s compare what happened four months ago at Fort Bragg.

**Bragg-adocious

Earlier this year, on June 10, Hegseth and Trump addressed a crowd of service members at Fort Bragg, its name recently restored by Hegseth to once again harken back to Confederate history. The goal of the White House was to engineer a spectacle where the military appeared to stand in full support, not just of Trump as Commander-in-Chief, but of his grievance and vengeance politics.

Before they arrived, a message reportedly went out to the soldiers who would be seated behind the podium. Anyone there must “be fit and not look fat,” and those whose “political views” didn’t align with the current administration “need to speak with their leadership and get swapped out.” The organizers didn’t want any eye-rolls or head shakes behind the speakers that might be visible on camera.

The pre-screened soldiers played their assigned part. They responded with boos when Trump attacked the former Commander-in-Chief, the media, “woke” politics, and his political enemies including California Governor Gavin Newsom.

Much of the rest of the nation looked on with horror. Was Trump capturing the military in real time? Would he later be able to turn armed soldiers loose upon civilians?

**By contrast, general silence

His MAGA fascist project may have just hit a snag. Unlike those whooping cadets at Fort Bragg, the gathered generals at yesterday’s speech at Quantico maintained decorum. Specifically, they understood and stood by DoD Directive 1344.10.

That directive states that active-duty members may participate in political rallies “provided the member is not in uniform and does not otherwise act in a manner that could reasonably give rise to the inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement.” (DoD Directive 1344.10, § 4.1.4)

The generals were there in uniform, and both Hegseth and Trump were there to spout their politics and seek buy-in from the military, just as they had at Fort Bragg. Silence, not applause, was demanded by the rules.

It would have been telling, after all, if anyone had applauded. Hegseth’s more disgraceful politicized culture war statements included the following:

— “The era of politically correct, overly sensitive, don’t-hurt-anyone’s-feelings leadership ends right now.”
— “No more division, distraction or gender delusions.”
— “No more beardos. The era of unacceptable appearance is over.”
— “Simply put, if you do not meet the male level physical standards for combat positions, cannot pass a PT test or don’t want to shave and look professional, it’s time for a new position or a new profession.”
— “Foolish and reckless political leaders set the wrong compass heading and we lost our way. We became the ‘Woke Department,’ but not anymore.”

He warned that “if the words I’m speaking today are making your heart sink, then you should do the honorable thing and resign.”

He further suggested that the military under his leadership would begin to ignore the Geneva Conventions to which the U.S. is a signatory:

“We unleash overwhelming and punishing violence on the enemy. We also don’t fight with stupid rules of engagement. We untie the hands of our warfighters to intimidate, demoralize, hunt and kill the enemies of our country. No more politically correct and overbearing rules of engagement.”

Trump’s own dark speech likely fared even worse in the eyes of the gathered military professionals. Referring to our urban centers, which happen also to be Democratic strongholds, Trump declared, “We should use some of these dangerous cities as training grounds for our military.”

There were even telltale signs that Trump’s speech was written with the input of white nationalist Stephen Miller. Trump blew a loud dog whistle to N*azis by claiming that there were 11,488 “murderers” allowed into our country—a number that bears no relation to reality. The numbers 14 and 88, however, together refer to the “14 words” of white nationalism (“We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children”) and to the 8th position in the alphabet twice stated, or “HH” for “He*l H*tler.” According to the Anti-Defamation League, the number 1488 is a “general endorsement of white supremacy and its beliefs.” That it appeared in a speech by the President before our nation’s generals is appalling.

The generals’ silence in response to Trump’s remarks served both as an important reminder and a check on his power. It reaffirmed that our military leaders intend to continue abiding by rules and protocols.

This is a critical point given the threats Trump issued in his address. At one point Trump declared, “We’re under invasion from within. No different than a foreign enemy but more difficult in many ways because they don’t wear uniforms. At least when they’re wearing a uniform you can take them out.”

We are at a point where our military may soon have to reject unconstitutional orders to use deadly force against civilians in our cities. Trump made that clear in his speech, and it is no doubt top of mind for anyone coming out of that meeting.

**Reactions from retired officials

While silence was the only reaction that the assembled brass on Tuesday could and should have displayed, there is no such bar for retired military leaders.

Many did not hold back.

Retired Commander of U.S. Army Europe Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling called the remarks “shocking” and “offensive.”

Ret. Major General William Enyart described Trump’s use of the words “enemy from within” as “H*tleresque” and “right out of N*azi Germany.”

Retired U.S. Marine Colonel Mark Cancian, in an interview with NPR, called the possibility of an order authorizing the use of lethal force in U.S. cities a “huge problem,” explaining that the military is not trained on when the use of such force is appropriate against civilians.

Retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey called the gathering “one of the strangest, most incoherent national security events” he has ever encountered, describing it as “a bitter partisan sort-of ‘savage tone’ address.” He described the idea that the military would train to operate within U.S. cities “deeply unsettling.”

We can’t know for certain that the current military leadership shares these same opinions, but there is no reason to believe there is significant daylight between past and current leadership when it comes to Trump’s overreach and abuses of his authority. Indeed, it is telling that so many leaks about the military’s operational failures and the circumstances surrounding the likely illegal use of force against civilian vessels near Venezuela continue to surface.

Trump needs the traditional “power centers” of the Justice Department and the U.S. military to come under his unquestioned control if he wants to complete his transformation into autocratic leader. We’ve already seen evidence of pushback from within the Justice Department through resignations and damning whistleblower complaints.

With the military, Trump must have come away from Tuesday’s speech wondering how many of its top leaders would follow him down his dark path. From the looks on their faces and their silence that spoke a thousand words, Trump’s brand of fascism, and in particular the use of the military against the “enemy from within,” doesn’t enjoy the generals’ support.

***

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The Trump administration is yanking green energy and infrastructure funding away from blue states on day one of the Republican-led government shutdown.

“Nearly $8 billion in Green New Scam funding to fuel the Left’s climate agenda is being cancelled. More info to come from @ENERGY,” Office of Management and Budget Director and Project 2025 author Russ Vought announced on X on Wednesday. “The projects are in the following states: CA, CO, CT, DE, HI, IL, MD, MA, MN, NH, NJ, NM, NY, OR, VT, WA.”

Each of these states voted against President Trump in 2024 and is represented by two Democrats in the Senate (where the shutdown fight just happens to be stuck). Not only that, but they also make up a massive bulk of the U.S. gross domestic product. This appears to be yet another petty, retributive move against states and senators that Trump considers to be his enemy.

https://newrepublic.com/post/201223/trump-cuts-energy-funding-16-blue-states-democrats-shutdown

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2025/oct/01/stephen-colbert-pete-hegseth-speech

kii said:

Jay Kuo’s piece on the gathering of military leadership.
The links mentioned are in the comments under it, on Facebook.

You may have seen it by now. After summoning the nation’s top military leadership from all corners of the world to attend a MAGA-style pep rally, Donald Trump and Pete Hegseth were met with stony silence.

No pin dropped, or we’d have heard it, at the end of Hegseth’s speech, which felt like a mirror-world Ted Talk on straight while male grievance. Had Hegseth known this would be their reaction, he probably wouldn’t have invited the cameras in to record that deafening silence.

Trump seemed off-balance, too, trying to warm up the generals with awkward jokes. “I’ve never walked into a room so silent before. Just have a good time. And if you want to applaud, you applaud,” he urged.

They did not applaud.

The White House should have expected this reaction had it known more about the standards military leadership holds itself to. To illustrate this disconnect, let’s compare what happened four months ago at Fort Bragg.

**Bragg-adocious

Earlier this year, on June 10, Hegseth and Trump addressed a crowd of service members at Fort Bragg, its name recently restored by Hegseth to once again harken back to Confederate history. The goal of the White House was to engineer a spectacle where the military appeared to stand in full support, not just of Trump as Commander-in-Chief, but of his grievance and vengeance politics.

Before they arrived, a message reportedly went out to the soldiers who would be seated behind the podium. Anyone there must “be fit and not look fat,” and those whose “political views” didn’t align with the current administration “need to speak with their leadership and get swapped out.” The organizers didn’t want any eye-rolls or head shakes behind the speakers that might be visible on camera.

The pre-screened soldiers played their assigned part. They responded with boos when Trump attacked the former Commander-in-Chief, the media, “woke” politics, and his political enemies including California Governor Gavin Newsom.

Much of the rest of the nation looked on with horror. Was Trump capturing the military in real time? Would he later be able to turn armed soldiers loose upon civilians?

**By contrast, general silence

His MAGA fascist project may have just hit a snag. Unlike those whooping cadets at Fort Bragg, the gathered generals at yesterday’s speech at Quantico maintained decorum. Specifically, they understood and stood by DoD Directive 1344.10.

That directive states that active-duty members may participate in political rallies “provided the member is not in uniform and does not otherwise act in a manner that could reasonably give rise to the inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement.” (DoD Directive 1344.10, § 4.1.4)

The generals were there in uniform, and both Hegseth and Trump were there to spout their politics and seek buy-in from the military, just as they had at Fort Bragg. Silence, not applause, was demanded by the rules.

It would have been telling, after all, if anyone had applauded. Hegseth’s more disgraceful politicized culture war statements included the following:

— “The era of politically correct, overly sensitive, don’t-hurt-anyone’s-feelings leadership ends right now.”
— “No more division, distraction or gender delusions.”
— “No more beardos. The era of unacceptable appearance is over.”
— “Simply put, if you do not meet the male level physical standards for combat positions, cannot pass a PT test or don’t want to shave and look professional, it’s time for a new position or a new profession.”
— “Foolish and reckless political leaders set the wrong compass heading and we lost our way. We became the ‘Woke Department,’ but not anymore.”

He warned that “if the words I’m speaking today are making your heart sink, then you should do the honorable thing and resign.”

He further suggested that the military under his leadership would begin to ignore the Geneva Conventions to which the U.S. is a signatory:

“We unleash overwhelming and punishing violence on the enemy. We also don’t fight with stupid rules of engagement. We untie the hands of our warfighters to intimidate, demoralize, hunt and kill the enemies of our country. No more politically correct and overbearing rules of engagement.”

Trump’s own dark speech likely fared even worse in the eyes of the gathered military professionals. Referring to our urban centers, which happen also to be Democratic strongholds, Trump declared, “We should use some of these dangerous cities as training grounds for our military.”

There were even telltale signs that Trump’s speech was written with the input of white nationalist Stephen Miller. Trump blew a loud dog whistle to N*azis by claiming that there were 11,488 “murderers” allowed into our country—a number that bears no relation to reality. The numbers 14 and 88, however, together refer to the “14 words” of white nationalism (“We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children”) and to the 8th position in the alphabet twice stated, or “HH” for “He*l H*tler.” According to the Anti-Defamation League, the number 1488 is a “general endorsement of white supremacy and its beliefs.” That it appeared in a speech by the President before our nation’s generals is appalling.

The generals’ silence in response to Trump’s remarks served both as an important reminder and a check on his power. It reaffirmed that our military leaders intend to continue abiding by rules and protocols.

This is a critical point given the threats Trump issued in his address. At one point Trump declared, “We’re under invasion from within. No different than a foreign enemy but more difficult in many ways because they don’t wear uniforms. At least when they’re wearing a uniform you can take them out.”

We are at a point where our military may soon have to reject unconstitutional orders to use deadly force against civilians in our cities. Trump made that clear in his speech, and it is no doubt top of mind for anyone coming out of that meeting.

**Reactions from retired officials

While silence was the only reaction that the assembled brass on Tuesday could and should have displayed, there is no such bar for retired military leaders.

Many did not hold back.

Retired Commander of U.S. Army Europe Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling called the remarks “shocking” and “offensive.”

Ret. Major General William Enyart described Trump’s use of the words “enemy from within” as “H*tleresque” and “right out of N*azi Germany.”

Retired U.S. Marine Colonel Mark Cancian, in an interview with NPR, called the possibility of an order authorizing the use of lethal force in U.S. cities a “huge problem,” explaining that the military is not trained on when the use of such force is appropriate against civilians.

Retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey called the gathering “one of the strangest, most incoherent national security events” he has ever encountered, describing it as “a bitter partisan sort-of ‘savage tone’ address.” He described the idea that the military would train to operate within U.S. cities “deeply unsettling.”

We can’t know for certain that the current military leadership shares these same opinions, but there is no reason to believe there is significant daylight between past and current leadership when it comes to Trump’s overreach and abuses of his authority. Indeed, it is telling that so many leaks about the military’s operational failures and the circumstances surrounding the likely illegal use of force against civilian vessels near Venezuela continue to surface.

Trump needs the traditional “power centers” of the Justice Department and the U.S. military to come under his unquestioned control if he wants to complete his transformation into autocratic leader. We’ve already seen evidence of pushback from within the Justice Department through resignations and damning whistleblower complaints.

With the military, Trump must have come away from Tuesday’s speech wondering how many of its top leaders would follow him down his dark path. From the looks on their faces and their silence that spoke a thousand words, Trump’s brand of fascism, and in particular the use of the military against the “enemy from within,” doesn’t enjoy the generals’ support.

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how optimistic

Aussie travellers devastated after US government shutdown forces tourist attractions to close

Possibly not as devastated as the people expected to work unpaid in “essential” jobs. Which apparently includes the building work at the White House…

Not sure why people would want to work at the White House if they’re posting racist shit like this on their official social media

Divine Angel said:

Not sure why people would want to work at the White House if they’re posting racist shit like this on their official social media

I’m still having trouble with how juvenile it all is. It’s really not very professional and grown up to announce stuff on social media that should be done properly. And it’s just plain facile to do the doctored video thing.

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Not sure why people would want to work at the White House if they’re posting racist shit like this on their official social media

I’m still having trouble with how juvenile it all is. It’s really not very professional and grown up to announce stuff on social media that should be done properly. And it’s just plain facile to do the doctored video thing.

+1

There are a few elements of stupidity running through this administration.

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Not sure why people would want to work at the White House if they’re posting racist shit like this on their official social media

I’m still having trouble with how juvenile it all is. It’s really not very professional and grown up to announce stuff on social media that should be done properly. And it’s just plain facile to do the doctored video thing.

+1

There are a few elements of stupidity running through this administration.

classic understatement using juvenile instead of puerile we suppose

The indictment of James Comey may be invalid

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KeLFw3CA208

Link

Irony? Much?

Morbidly obese Commander in Chief calls out ‘Fat Generals’.

AussieDJ said:

Irony? Much?

Morbidly obese Commander in Chief calls out ‘Fat Generals’.

why, is that shirt unironed

https://youtu.be/vOXOWAhFz0A?si=WPWN5hoX-IGAjW2Y

ICE attacks intensify

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/highly-unfortunate-photo-of-trump-officials-phone-reveals-upset-over-argentina-bailout/news-story/f353985b35f031de456ca69b230edcbe

‘Highly unfortunate’: Photo of Trump official’s phone reveals upset over Argentina bailout
A leaked text message snapped on the phone of a top Trump official has revealed internal concerns about China taking advantage of major US bailout.

A leaked text message snapped on the phone of a top Trump official has revealed internal concerns that China was taking advantage of a US bailout of Argentina to purchase millions of tons of soybeans, while American farmers struggle.

The message, captured by an Associated Press photographer as US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent checked his phone during the UN General Assembly meeting in New York last Tuesday, came from a contact named “BR”, believed to be US Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins.

“Just a heads up,” read the message, which linked to a post from an X account belonging to grain trader Ben Scholl.

“I am getting more intel, but this is highly unfortunate. We bailed out Argentina yesterday and in return, the Argentine’s (sic) removed their export tariffs on grains, reducing their price to China at a time when we would normally be selling to China.

“Soy prices are dropping further because of it. This gives China more leverage on us. On a plane but Scott I can call you when I land.”

The post by Mr Scholl, linked to in the message, read, “China and Argentina work together for soybeans as Bessent offers to subsidise the Argentine economy. They think you are stupid.”

Mr Scholl, in turn, had been replying to a trader who wrote that Chinese buyers had “booked 12/15 cargoes of Argentine soybeans after Buenos Aires on Monday scrapped grain export taxes”.

“There’s no doubt that the farm economy is in a significant challenge right now, especially our row croppers,” Ms Rollins told reporters on Tuesday, per CNN.

“The ability to offset any payments to the farmers through potential tariff revenue is really where the president wants us to head, and that’s what we’re looking at.”

Despite the apparent internal discord, US President Donald Trump will host Argentine President Javier Milei for talks at the White House on October 14, according to the Argentine government, further boosting his ally after the announcement of the multibillion-dollar US rescue package.

dv said:

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/highly-unfortunate-photo-of-trump-officials-phone-reveals-upset-over-argentina-bailout/news-story/f353985b35f031de456ca69b230edcbe

‘Highly unfortunate’: Photo of Trump official’s phone reveals upset over Argentina bailout
A leaked text message snapped on the phone of a top Trump official has revealed internal concerns about China taking advantage of major US bailout.

A leaked text message snapped on the phone of a top Trump official has revealed internal concerns that China was taking advantage of a US bailout of Argentina to purchase millions of tons of soybeans, while American farmers struggle.

The message, captured by an Associated Press photographer as US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent checked his phone during the UN General Assembly meeting in New York last Tuesday, came from a contact named “BR”, believed to be US Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins.

“Just a heads up,” read the message, which linked to a post from an X account belonging to grain trader Ben Scholl.

“I am getting more intel, but this is highly unfortunate. We bailed out Argentina yesterday and in return, the Argentine’s (sic) removed their export tariffs on grains, reducing their price to China at a time when we would normally be selling to China.

“Soy prices are dropping further because of it. This gives China more leverage on us. On a plane but Scott I can call you when I land.”

The post by Mr Scholl, linked to in the message, read, “China and Argentina work together for soybeans as Bessent offers to subsidise the Argentine economy. They think you are stupid.”

Mr Scholl, in turn, had been replying to a trader who wrote that Chinese buyers had “booked 12/15 cargoes of Argentine soybeans after Buenos Aires on Monday scrapped grain export taxes”.

“There’s no doubt that the farm economy is in a significant challenge right now, especially our row croppers,” Ms Rollins told reporters on Tuesday, per CNN.

“The ability to offset any payments to the farmers through potential tariff revenue is really where the president wants us to head, and that’s what we’re looking at.”

Despite the apparent internal discord, US President Donald Trump will host Argentine President Javier Milei for talks at the White House on October 14, according to the Argentine government, further boosting his ally after the announcement of the multibillion-dollar US rescue package.

Hopefully no one cries

Just wait til you can buy soybeans from TrumpSoy.com

Divine Angel said:

Just wait til you can buy soybeans from TrumpSoy.com

With a 100 percent tarriff.

Disney+ Subscriber Cancellations Peaked In Millions During Jimmy Kimmel Controversy

By Grant Hermanns

After being one of the most-talked about cancellations of the year, Jimmy Kimmel Live!‘s controversy resulted in millions of Disney+ subscriptions being cancelled. Following the already-divisive cancellation of Stephen Colbert’s The Late Show in July 2025, Kimmel’s show found itself paused indefinitely for one week due to a monologue bit regarding President Donald Trump’s reaction to Charlie Kirk’s assassination.

This resulted in even more pushback from fans and the entertainment industry, decrying the political biases of the companies and attacks on Kimmel’s free speech. After a week of negotiations and protests against Disney, it was announced that they and Kimmel had reached a deal to bring the show back on September 23, with Sinclair and Nexstar following suit a few days afterward.

Per a new report from The Handbasket’s Marisa Kabas on Bluesky, Disney and ABC’s initial cancellation of Jimmy Kimmel Live! sparked a mass cancellation of subscriptions for their streaming platform, Disney+, in support of the late-night host. The streamer reportedly saw more than 1.7 million total paid streaming cancellations, over the course of one week, which also includes Hulu and ESPN+. Check out her report below:

Considering the level of outcry leveled at the studio in the wake of their initial decision, it doesn’t come entirely as a surprise that Jimmy Kimmel Live!‘s suspension resulted in such a large wave of Disney subscription cancellations. All across social media, both fans and celebrities were encouraging said boycott mentality, including She-Hulk star Tatiana Maslany and Lost’s Damon Lindelof, among others.

Should the above reported figure be accurate, it would go a long way to securing Kimmel’s future on screen. Paramount cited financial reasons for The Late Show’s axing in July, and while it’s unclear if this resulted in any Paramount+ cancellations, the fact that Kimmel’s did in such a large fashion proves he’s a very valuable part in the Disney machine.

It should also be noted that while the cancellation streak during Jimmy Kimmel Live!‘s suspension peaked at 1.7 million, it’s not necessarily the end for the streamer’s downward swing. It was announced in September both Disney+ and Hulu would be seeing a price hike, roughly $3 per subscription plan, which further prompted cancellations and calls for boycotts.

Though Kimmel’s return could help stave off some of these cancellations, it won’t entirely stop the bleeding for Disney+. The increasing mixed audience response to recent Star Wars and Marvel Cinematic Universe shows has seen many become disinterested in maintaining their subscriptions, which, combined with a price hike, is sure to see the platform dip even further from its 127 million subscribers.

While there’s no denying that a level of wider interest has dipped in late-night television in the wake of things like podcasts, YouTube channels, and other talk show host formats. That being said, regardless of one’s political beliefs, it’s also hard to deny that Jimmy Kimmel Live!‘s suspension was a form of free speech infringement rather than any financial decisions, as Colbert’s was reported to be.

This makes the sheer number of Disney+ cancellations during Jimmy Kimmel Live!‘s hiatus all the more encouraging for voices like the titular host, who don’t want to stifle their opinions for corporate motivations. With at least 1.7 million paying supporters, in addition to the record-setting 6.26 million viewers in Kimmel’s return, it’s clear networks should turn to defending their employees rather than firing them.

https://screenrant.com/disney-plus-cancellations-jimmy-kimmel-subscribers-number-confirmed/

Is there a figure for subscriptions after Kimmel was reinstated?

Walt himself was patriotic, changing his birth date to enlist in WWI and producing pro-America propaganda in WWII as well as designing military insignia. The Disney company is a powerful machine which has directly influenced laws (like copyright) but also heavily pressured Florida to change various laws and regulations relating to Walt Disney World. Having their hands in Trump’s pocket doesn’t seem like much of a stretch if it benefits them.

Cymek said:

dv said:

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/highly-unfortunate-photo-of-trump-officials-phone-reveals-upset-over-argentina-bailout/news-story/f353985b35f031de456ca69b230edcbe

‘Highly unfortunate’: Photo of Trump official’s phone reveals upset over Argentina bailout
A leaked text message snapped on the phone of a top Trump official has revealed internal concerns about China taking advantage of major US bailout.

A leaked text message snapped on the phone of a top Trump official has revealed internal concerns that China was taking advantage of a US bailout of Argentina to purchase millions of tons of soybeans, while American farmers struggle.

The message, captured by an Associated Press photographer as US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent checked his phone during the UN General Assembly meeting in New York last Tuesday, came from a contact named “BR”, believed to be US Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins.

“Just a heads up,” read the message, which linked to a post from an X account belonging to grain trader Ben Scholl.

“I am getting more intel, but this is highly unfortunate. We bailed out Argentina yesterday and in return, the Argentine’s (sic) removed their export tariffs on grains, reducing their price to China at a time when we would normally be selling to China.

“Soy prices are dropping further because of it. This gives China more leverage on us. On a plane but Scott I can call you when I land.”

The post by Mr Scholl, linked to in the message, read, “China and Argentina work together for soybeans as Bessent offers to subsidise the Argentine economy. They think you are stupid.”

Mr Scholl, in turn, had been replying to a trader who wrote that Chinese buyers had “booked 12/15 cargoes of Argentine soybeans after Buenos Aires on Monday scrapped grain export taxes”.

“There’s no doubt that the farm economy is in a significant challenge right now, especially our row croppers,” Ms Rollins told reporters on Tuesday, per CNN.

“The ability to offset any payments to the farmers through potential tariff revenue is really where the president wants us to head, and that’s what we’re looking at.”

Despite the apparent internal discord, US President Donald Trump will host Argentine President Javier Milei for talks at the White House on October 14, according to the Argentine government, further boosting his ally after the announcement of the multibillion-dollar US rescue package.

Hopefully no one cries

I expect the soybean farmers are already in tears.

buffy said:

Cymek said:

dv said:

US President Donald Trump will host Argentine President Javier Milei for talks at the White House on October 14, according to the Argentine government, further boosting his ally after the announcement of the multibillion-dollar US rescue package.

Hopefully no one cries

I expect the soybean farmers are already in tears.

and angry too.

I love how Trump has managed out-Burnie, Burnie by socialising drug sales in the US without anyone thinking it was evil.

diddly-squat said:

I love how Trump has managed out-Burnie, Burnie by socialising drug sales in the US without anyone thinking it was evil.

Will he take credit for introducing crack to the ghettos I wonder

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Hopefully no one cries

I expect the soybean farmers are already in tears.

and angry too.

no they must be tears of joy, dear leader is implementing the plan as planned

Tau.Neutrino said:

Divine Angel said:

Just wait til you can buy soybeans from TrumpSoy.com

With a 100 percent tarriff.

soyjak taco

WASHINGTON, Oct 2 (Reuters) – Apple (AAPL.O), opens new tab said on Thursday that it had removed ICEBlock, the most popular ICE-tracking app, and other similar apps from its App Store after it was contacted by President Donald Trump’s administration.

The app alerts users to Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents in their area. ICE has been a central part of Trump’s hardline immigration agenda and its agents have regularly raided and arrested migrants. The Justice Department says the app could increase the risk of assault on U.S. agents.

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/society-equity/apple-removes-ice-tracking-apps-after-pressure-by-trump-administration-2025-10-03/?utm_source=reddit.com

AussieDJ said:

so we’d all be speaking Japanese if it weren’t for them

Senator Chris Murphy from Connecticut doing an AMA about the govt shutdown.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/s/h3mZlqEH0v

alleged

This refers to the Sept. 29, 2025, incident in Cranford, NJ, where 17-year-old Vincent Battiloro is charged with murdering teens Maria Niotis and Isabella Salas by hitting their e-bike with a Jeep at 70 mph. Sources report he stalked Maria for months, live-streamed rants about vengeance, and admired Andrew Tate and Charlie Kirk. The attack followed Maria’s alleged criticism of Kirk. Families say police were notified but took no action.

The Trump administration is offering unaccompanied migrant children $US2,500 ($3,800) to voluntarily leave the US.

roughbarked said:

The Trump administration is offering unaccompanied migrant children $US2,500 ($3,800) to voluntarily leave the US.

Kids don’t know that Trump always stiffs his creditors

Neophyte said:

roughbarked said:

The Trump administration is offering unaccompanied migrant children $US2,500 ($3,800) to voluntarily leave the US.

Kids don’t know that Trump always stiffs his creditors

Yes. I note that he’s npt giving them the money until after they get there. ;)

roughbarked said:

Neophyte said:

roughbarked said:

The Trump administration is offering unaccompanied migrant children $US2,500 ($3,800) to voluntarily leave the US.

Kids don’t know that Trump always stiffs his creditors

Yes. I note that he’s npt giving them the money until after they get there. ;)

and then he’ll keep fucking the economy so hard that it’ll be worth nothing even if they get any of it

wait he’ll do that anyway LOL what a loser

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Neophyte said:

Kids don’t know that Trump always stiffs his creditors

Yes. I note that he’s npt giving them the money until after they get there. ;)

and then he’ll keep fucking the economy so hard that it’ll be worth nothing even if they get any of it

wait he’ll do that anyway LOL what a loser

He’s won two presidential elections.

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Yes. I note that he’s npt giving them the money until after they get there. ;)

and then he’ll keep fucking the economy so hard that it’ll be worth nothing even if they get any of it

wait he’ll do that anyway LOL what a loser

He’s won two presidential elections.

And he won’t need to win another one for the rest of his life.

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Yes. I note that he’s npt giving them the money until after they get there. ;)

and then he’ll keep fucking the economy so hard that it’ll be worth nothing even if they get any of it

wait he’ll do that anyway LOL what a loser

He’s won two presidential elections.

No. Musk stole the last election.
Also his ear wasn’t hit by a bullet.

How would you move Space Shuttle Discovery from Virginia to Texas? The White House Office of Management and Budget asked NASA and the Smithsonian Institution and the response was to dismantle it.

The space agency and research institute estimate “that the cost to move Discovery to Houston would, at minimum, be between $120 million and $150 million, exclusive of the cost of building a new exhibit in Houston.” This is considerably more than the $85 million budgeted for transportation and exhibition construction. Unfortunately, doing so may require disassembling the Space Shuttle.

The US reconciliation bill, signed into law on July 4, includes a requirement to move a flown space vehicle to Houston, Texas. The vehicle in question is widely expected to be Discovery, although NASA has yet to confirm this. Several lawmakers are seeking to remove the relocation requirement, including Senator Mark Kelly, a former commander of Discovery.

https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/02/dismantling_discovery/

Divine Angel said:

How would you move Space Shuttle Discovery from Virginia to Texas? The White House Office of Management and Budget asked NASA and the Smithsonian Institution and the response was to dismantle it.

The space agency and research institute estimate “that the cost to move Discovery to Houston would, at minimum, be between $120 million and $150 million, exclusive of the cost of building a new exhibit in Houston.” This is considerably more than the $85 million budgeted for transportation and exhibition construction. Unfortunately, doing so may require disassembling the Space Shuttle.

The US reconciliation bill, signed into law on July 4, includes a requirement to move a flown space vehicle to Houston, Texas. The vehicle in question is widely expected to be Discovery, although NASA has yet to confirm this. Several lawmakers are seeking to remove the relocation requirement, including Senator Mark Kelly, a former commander of Discovery.

https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/02/dismantling_discovery/

So how did they decide that Virginia has too many space vehicles, and Texas too few?

https://packaged-media.redd.it/jteekwuqxjsf1/pb/m2-res_720p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1759622400&s=de3e0e6b71f06382c9cc81143a4994675cc5cc29

Link

Pete Hegseth accidentally flipping a skateboard into his nuts on live TV

LOL.

Divine Angel said:

How would you move Space Shuttle Discovery from Virginia to Texas? The White House Office of Management and Budget asked NASA and the Smithsonian Institution and the response was to dismantle it.

The space agency and research institute estimate “that the cost to move Discovery to Houston would, at minimum, be between $120 million and $150 million, exclusive of the cost of building a new exhibit in Houston.” This is considerably more than the $85 million budgeted for transportation and exhibition construction. Unfortunately, doing so may require disassembling the Space Shuttle.

The US reconciliation bill, signed into law on July 4, includes a requirement to move a flown space vehicle to Houston, Texas. The vehicle in question is widely expected to be Discovery, although NASA has yet to confirm this. Several lawmakers are seeking to remove the relocation requirement, including Senator Mark Kelly, a former commander of Discovery.

https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/02/dismantling_discovery/

They used to have a modified Boeing 747 that carried the shuttles around. Sounds like it might be cheaper to get that out of storage and flying again, or get an old 747 out of one of those desert parks and make the necessary mods. Rather than take it apart.

Divine Angel said:

How would you move Space Shuttle Discovery from Virginia to Texas? The White House Office of Management and Budget asked NASA and the Smithsonian Institution and the response was to dismantle it.

The space agency and research institute estimate “that the cost to move Discovery to Houston would, at minimum, be between $120 million and $150 million, exclusive of the cost of building a new exhibit in Houston.” This is considerably more than the $85 million budgeted for transportation and exhibition construction. Unfortunately, doing so may require disassembling the Space Shuttle.

The US reconciliation bill, signed into law on July 4, includes a requirement to move a flown space vehicle to Houston, Texas. The vehicle in question is widely expected to be Discovery, although NASA has yet to confirm this. Several lawmakers are seeking to remove the relocation requirement, including Senator Mark Kelly, a former commander of Discovery.

https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/02/dismantling_discovery/

Gourd!

ChrispenEvan said:

https://packaged-media.redd.it/jteekwuqxjsf1/pb/m2-res_720p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1759622400&s=de3e0e6b71f06382c9cc81143a4994675cc5cc29

Link

Pete Hegseth accidentally flipping a skateboard into his nuts on live TV

LOL.

I shouldn’t laugh. It could just as easily happen to me.

But I did laugh.

alleged

SCIENCE said:

alleged

Well it won’t be the Australian taxpayer. We don’t have aliens.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

alleged

Well it won’t be the Australian taxpayer. We don’t have aliens.

Nah the aliens are hovering over Munich airport

Jim Wright has the right idea…

“Nationalize all Golf Courses.

That way, when government shuts down, so does golf. You’ll never see another shutdown again.”

Neophyte said:

Jim Wright has the right idea…

“Nationalize all Golf Courses.

That way, when government shuts down, so does golf. You’ll never see another shutdown again.”

But where would Trump bury his ex wives?

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

alleged

Well it won’t be the Australian taxpayer. We don’t have aliens.

Nah the aliens are hovering over Munich airport

Imagine if an alien went into the emergency room.. all the doctors would be so excited to be able to look at something other than another snotty, pussy, sweaty, gross human body – that’s some House level diagnosis going on there.. they’d love it.

Divine Angel said:

Neophyte said:

Jim Wright has the right idea…

“Nationalize all Golf Courses.

That way, when government shuts down, so does golf. You’ll never see another shutdown again.”

But where would Trump bury his ex wives?

As someone pointed out, he’d have all his courses reclassified as cemeteries.

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

How would you move Space Shuttle Discovery from Virginia to Texas? The White House Office of Management and Budget asked NASA and the Smithsonian Institution and the response was to dismantle it.

The space agency and research institute estimate “that the cost to move Discovery to Houston would, at minimum, be between $120 million and $150 million, exclusive of the cost of building a new exhibit in Houston.” This is considerably more than the $85 million budgeted for transportation and exhibition construction. Unfortunately, doing so may require disassembling the Space Shuttle.

The US reconciliation bill, signed into law on July 4, includes a requirement to move a flown space vehicle to Houston, Texas. The vehicle in question is widely expected to be Discovery, although NASA has yet to confirm this. Several lawmakers are seeking to remove the relocation requirement, including Senator Mark Kelly, a former commander of Discovery.

https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/02/dismantling_discovery/

They used to have a modified Boeing 747 that carried the shuttles around. Sounds like it might be cheaper to get that out of storage and flying again, or get an old 747 out of one of those desert parks and make the necessary mods. Rather than take it apart.

That in itself would take many millions of dollars and probably the best part of a year.

To move the Shuttle means it has to be disassembled and they aren’t designed for that, so it means literally cutting it up then stitching it back together at the destination. It would also mean destroying quite a lot of the heat tiles, which cannot be replaced so it would end up a very dodgy mess.
The more important factor is that it’s now owned by the Smithsonian Museum and not the government, so that cannot order it to be moved anywhere.

Neophyte said:

Jim Wright has the right idea…

“Nationalize all Golf Courses.

That way, when government shuts down, so does golf. You’ll never see another shutdown again.”

LOL

what a legend

SCIENCE said:

what a legend

He’s hell bent on leaving a legend behind. Unless he has people working on bringing him back to eternal youth.

roughbarked said:

However

When his term is up I can’t imagine a dignified DJT metaphorically sitting on his porch whittling like Bush or Obama.
No, he’s going to be a keyboard warrior railing against whoever is in government and getting more and more curmudgeon.

Peak Warming Man said:

When his term is up I can’t imagine a dignified DJT metaphorically sitting on his porch whittling like Bush or Obama.
No, he’s going to be a keyboard warrior railing against whoever is in government and getting more and more curmudgeon.

Hopefully, he’ll be fully occupied with pushing up daisies.

Peak Warming Man said:

When his term is up I can’t imagine a dignified DJT metaphorically sitting on his porch whittling like Bush or Obama.
No, he’s going to be a keyboard warrior railing against whoever is in government and getting more and more curmudgeon.

Can you skip straight from toddler to curmudgeon?

He’s insane…

Trump: “Please remember I wrote about Osama bin Laden exactly one year ago, one year before he blew up the World Trade Center. And I said ‘You’ve got to watch Osama bin Laden.’ And the fake news would never let me get away with that statement unless it was true. But I said one year before, to Pete Hegseth, I said one year before. Where’s Pete? In the book I wrote, whatever the hell the title, I can’t tell you, but I can tell you there’s a page in there devoted to the fact that I saw somebody named Osama bin Laden, I didn’t like him, and you gotta take care of him. They didn’t do it, and a year later he blew up the World Trade Center. So, you gotta take a little credit because nobody else is gonna give it to me.”

From The Bulwark’s Facebook page. Trump is spouting wacky gibberish to the US Navy. There are more excerpts on their page. With videos.

Syphilis is firmly in control of his brain.

kii said:

He’s insane…

Trump: “Please remember I wrote about Osama bin Laden exactly one year ago, one year before he blew up the World Trade Center. And I said ‘You’ve got to watch Osama bin Laden.’ And the fake news would never let me get away with that statement unless it was true. But I said one year before, to Pete Hegseth, I said one year before. Where’s Pete? In the book I wrote, whatever the hell the title, I can’t tell you, but I can tell you there’s a page in there devoted to the fact that I saw somebody named Osama bin Laden, I didn’t like him, and you gotta take care of him. They didn’t do it, and a year later he blew up the World Trade Center. So, you gotta take a little credit because nobody else is gonna give it to me.”

From The Bulwark’s Facebook page. Trump is spouting wacky gibberish to the US Navy. There are more excerpts on their page. With videos.

Syphilis is firmly in control of his brain.

shrug they lap it all up and history is drawn by the winners

Probably a coincidence but, as Maddow says, put a pin in it.

dv said:

Probably a coincidence but, as Maddow says, put a pin in it.

Pharque!

Michael V said:

dv said:

Probably a coincidence but, as Maddow says, put a pin in it.

Pharque!

wait so they blew themselves up or it was a methamphetamine laboratory or what

dv said:

Probably a coincidence but, as Maddow says, put a pin in it.

I’ve read that it’s a rental, access via a gated road to a community. The judge was walking on the beach, her husband and kids/grandkids…? were in the house.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jimmy-kimmel-trump-popularity-poll-b2839757.html

Jimmy Kimmel is more popular than Donald Trump, a new poll has found, following a public showdown between the two men that resulted in the talk show host being briefly taken off-air.

The survey, conducted by YouGov, asked respondents if they held favorable opinions of both men.

When asked about Kimmel, 44 percent said they had a favorable opinion of the comedian, while 41 percent said they did not. Fifteen percent said they were undecided, giving Kimmel a net favorability of +3.

When asked about Trump, 41 percent had favorable views in contrast to 54 percent who said they did not and 5 percent were undecided, giving the president a -13 net favorability.

The results gave Kimmel a 16-point lead in favorability, according to the YouGov poll.

Divine Angel said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jimmy-kimmel-trump-popularity-poll-b2839757.html

Jimmy Kimmel is more popular than Donald Trump, a new poll has found, following a public showdown between the two men that resulted in the talk show host being briefly taken off-air.

The survey, conducted by YouGov, asked respondents if they held favorable opinions of both men.

When asked about Kimmel, 44 percent said they had a favorable opinion of the comedian, while 41 percent said they did not. Fifteen percent said they were undecided, giving Kimmel a net favorability of +3.

When asked about Trump, 41 percent had favorable views in contrast to 54 percent who said they did not and 5 percent were undecided, giving the president a -13 net favorability.

The results gave Kimmel a 16-point lead in favorability, according to the YouGov poll.

so he should run for president

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jimmy-kimmel-trump-popularity-poll-b2839757.html

Jimmy Kimmel is more popular than Donald Trump, a new poll has found, following a public showdown between the two men that resulted in the talk show host being briefly taken off-air.

The survey, conducted by YouGov, asked respondents if they held favorable opinions of both men.

When asked about Kimmel, 44 percent said they had a favorable opinion of the comedian, while 41 percent said they did not. Fifteen percent said they were undecided, giving Kimmel a net favorability of +3.

When asked about Trump, 41 percent had favorable views in contrast to 54 percent who said they did not and 5 percent were undecided, giving the president a -13 net favorability.

The results gave Kimmel a 16-point lead in favorability, according to the YouGov poll.

so he should run for president

A TV ‘personality’ elected President?

Is there a precedent for that?

dv said:

Probably a coincidence but, as Maddow says, put a pin in it.

Jew on Jew violence is no good.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jimmy-kimmel-trump-popularity-poll-b2839757.html

Jimmy Kimmel is more popular than Donald Trump, a new poll has found, following a public showdown between the two men that resulted in the talk show host being briefly taken off-air.

The survey, conducted by YouGov, asked respondents if they held favorable opinions of both men.

When asked about Kimmel, 44 percent said they had a favorable opinion of the comedian, while 41 percent said they did not. Fifteen percent said they were undecided, giving Kimmel a net favorability of +3.

When asked about Trump, 41 percent had favorable views in contrast to 54 percent who said they did not and 5 percent were undecided, giving the president a -13 net favorability.

The results gave Kimmel a 16-point lead in favorability, according to the YouGov poll.

so he should run for president

A TV ‘personality’ elected President?

Is there a precedent for that?

I hear Ronnie Raygun did moofies.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jimmy-kimmel-trump-popularity-poll-b2839757.html

Jimmy Kimmel is more popular than Donald Trump, a new poll has found, following a public showdown between the two men that resulted in the talk show host being briefly taken off-air.

The survey, conducted by YouGov, asked respondents if they held favorable opinions of both men.

When asked about Kimmel, 44 percent said they had a favorable opinion of the comedian, while 41 percent said they did not. Fifteen percent said they were undecided, giving Kimmel a net favorability of +3.

When asked about Trump, 41 percent had favorable views in contrast to 54 percent who said they did not and 5 percent were undecided, giving the president a -13 net favorability.

The results gave Kimmel a 16-point lead in favorability, according to the YouGov poll.

so he should run for president

A TV ‘personality’ elected President?

Is there a precedent for that?

yeah and they gave the Russians hell too

Robert Reich – from Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1EsEviAKxt/

Friends,

I don’t have a crystal ball, but I have a good idea how this shutdown ends. Trump and Republicans will cave (he won’t admit he’s caving, of course, but he will cave).

Here’s why: Air traffic controllers.

Like other federal workers, the controllers aren’t being paid now (they’ll get back-pay when the shutdown ends). But unlike most other federal workers, their workloads and stress loads have been soaring.

Recall the last big shutdown that started in late 2018 and went on for 35 days — a record. What ended it? Air traffic controllers.

In January 2019, several controllers at a facility near Washington, D.C., that handles air traffic for most of the region, called in sick.

As a result, flight delays along the East Coast began to stack up. The delays quickly cascaded to Atlanta and beyond.

The National Air Traffic Controllers Association issued a statement saying essentially, “We told you so.”

“In the past few weeks, we have warned about what could happen as a result of the prolonged shutdown. Many controllers have reached the breaking point of exhaustion, stress, and worry caused by this shutdown. Each hour that goes by that the shutdown continues makes the situation worse.”

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tweeted: “The #TrumpShutdown has already pushed hundreds of thousands of Americans to the breaking point. Now it’s pushing our airspace to the breaking point too.”

Angry travelers began phoning their members of Congress. Private jets carrying CEOs and Wall Street mavens couldn’t take off or land. The CEOs and mavens also began phoning.

Hours later, Trump announced that the government would reopen and employees would be given back pay. Trump didn’t even get funding for his border wall — the issue that had sparked the shutdown.

This time it won’t take 35 days.

We’re approaching the busiest time of the year for air travel. Tens of millions of Americans expect to fly in the coming months.
Even before Wednesday’s shutdown, the nation’s approximately 14,000 air traffic controllers were under increasing stress — higher than in January 2019.
More crowded skies and worsening staffing shortages have forced many controllers to put in 60 hours a week on the job.

A hearing into the causes of the midair collision in Washington earlier this year that claimed 67 lives revealed a decline in aviation safety due to increasingly busy skies and overworked controllers.

On March 11, the National Transportation Safety Board released a preliminary report and urgent safety recommendations. The NTSB’s chair was angry that the Federal Aviation Administration had not acted on data showing the number of near-miss alerts over the last decade.

Oh, and the pay of air-traffic controllers has stagnated — when they were getting paid.

In the wake of the previous 35-day shutdown, the then-chair of the House Transportation Committee suggested a bill to allow the FAA to continue operating normally during a lapse in funding — which would continue the pay of air traffic controllers. Congress never enacted such legislation.

My prediction: This shutdown will end sooner than the last one. Air traffic controllers will ensure it does. Within the next few weeks, a few will call in sick. Then the flight delays will cascade.
At that point, pressure will suddenly mount on the White House and Republicans in Congress to end it.

Why on the White House and congressional Republicans and not on congressional Democrats? Because Republicans now control the government — the presidency, both chambers of Congress, and, effectively, the Supreme Court. They own it.

They and Trump will be blamed for the shutdown, and they’ll have to get the nation out of it — even at the cost of giving in to congressional Democrats.

Shutdown over Thanksgiving. Go on, do it 💸

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jimmy-kimmel-trump-popularity-poll-b2839757.html

Jimmy Kimmel is more popular than Donald Trump, a new poll has found, following a public showdown between the two men that resulted in the talk show host being briefly taken off-air.

The survey, conducted by YouGov, asked respondents if they held favorable opinions of both men.

When asked about Kimmel, 44 percent said they had a favorable opinion of the comedian, while 41 percent said they did not. Fifteen percent said they were undecided, giving Kimmel a net favorability of +3.

When asked about Trump, 41 percent had favorable views in contrast to 54 percent who said they did not and 5 percent were undecided, giving the president a -13 net favorability.

The results gave Kimmel a 16-point lead in favorability, according to the YouGov poll.

so he should run for president

He’s far more useful where he is.

wait

really

Smirking Chimp: Dan Embree via Jaime O’Neill “…when to summon the aide with the butterfly net and the nurse with the hypodermic needle.”

What’s that about state’s rights?

Everything’s normal in the USA.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLrcgEfoRlt

Link

tad.stoermer

“Great as the evil is, a dismemberment of the Union would be worse.” — James Madison, 1787

That was the founding logic: preserve the white republic at all costs. Even if it means funding a modern paramilitary like ICE to enforce racial ideology—legally, constitutionally, and without shame. The Nazis studied our systems for a reason.

kii said:

Everything’s normal in the USA.

any thoughts of heading back

SCIENCE said:

kii said:

Everything’s normal in the USA.

any thoughts of heading back

😆 🤣 😂 😹 No.

Recent polling is indicating that more Americans blame the GOP for the shutdown than those that blame the Dems

NYT has the GOP underwater by 7 points, CBS by 9, Marist by 12 and the Washington Post has the GOP down by 17.

That said, about 1 in 3 people have indicated that the blame for the shutdown falls equally on both parties.

Show opens tonight at a venue near you. 😁

Woodie said:

Show opens tonight at a venue near you. 😁

doit

SCIENCE said:

Woodie said:

Show opens tonight at a venue near you. 😁

doit

The AI generation could have left some wrinkles in, and a hole in his left ear, hey what but.

Watergate got nuthin

LOL what?

Divine Angel said:

Watergate got nuthin

I’d always assumed Trump was caught with underage girls/boys and that is something unlikely to be forgiven by most of his worshippers.

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

Watergate got nuthin

I’d always assumed Trump was caught with underage girls/boys and that is something unlikely to be forgiven by most of his worshippers.

we saw that post but there was a reply warning that while it is all a convenient distraction it is also important to remember that they really are pushing down the fascism path for the fun of it as well

kii said:

LOL what?

Blood What Barrier

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

Watergate got nuthin

I’d always assumed Trump was caught with underage girls/boys and that is something unlikely to be forgiven by most of his worshippers.

Not the welded on ones. And most, if not all are “welded on”. They’ll justify it somehow.

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

Watergate got nuthin

I’d always assumed Trump was caught with underage girls/boys and that is something unlikely to be forgiven by most of his worshippers.

I believe that he’s been involved in the death of a girl or woman. Ivana disclosed his violent attack on her in the divorce proceedings. The Russian “pee pee” tape is evidence of a serious sex-related crime he committed in Russia, when he was first targeted…the start of the Krasnov timeline.

Woodie said:

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

Watergate got nuthin

I’d always assumed Trump was caught with underage girls/boys and that is something unlikely to be forgiven by most of his worshippers.

Not the welded on ones. And most, if not all are “welded on”. They’ll justify it somehow.

They already have, preemptively, justified it. He was undercover for the FBI, on a mission to bring down the sex ring. Just like undercover drug cops, probably have to take drugs from time to time, so too must an undercover sex ring agent occasionally indulge…

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

Watergate got nuthin

I’d always assumed Trump was caught with underage girls/boys and that is something unlikely to be forgiven by most of his worshippers.

He’s resisting but the truth will out, though he’s spent years trying to make the truth an alternate universe.

furious said:

Woodie said:

Cymek said:

I’d always assumed Trump was caught with underage girls/boys and that is something unlikely to be forgiven by most of his worshippers.

Not the welded on ones. And most, if not all are “welded on”. They’ll justify it somehow.

They already have, preemptively, justified it. He was undercover for the FBI, on a mission to bring down the sex ring. Just like undercover drug cops, probably have to take drugs from time to time, so too must an undercover sex ring agent occasionally indulge…

If it is undercover all details are redacted.

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

Watergate got nuthin

I’d always assumed Trump was caught with underage girls/boys and that is something unlikely to be forgiven by most of his worshippers.

What is know to be true is that the paperwork held by the government has been reviewed by teams of legal investigators during the Epstein and Maxwell cases so I doubt there is anything directly incriminating in them. That said, I have little doubt that Trump’s name, along with the names of many other political and high-profile people, are are strewn through out the documentation and it’s this kind of “guilt by association” that has motivated DJT, and probably others, to sweep the files under the carpet.

In my mind the fact that he and others ran on this being some kind of grand conspiracy is reason enough to maintain pressure on the administration to release all the documentation that is currently held by the DoJ and if this administration doesn’t do it, then the next should.

US President Donald Trump is ramping up efforts to deploy the National Guard in more cities across the country to combat what he claims is a “war from within”

roughbarked said:

US President Donald Trump is ramping up efforts to deploy the National Guard in more cities across the country to commence what he claims is a “war from within”

fixed

roughbarked said:

US President Donald Trump is ramping up efforts to deploy the National Guard in more cities across the country to combat what he claims is a “war from within”

He’s pushing the limits.

It’s one thing to ‘deploy’ the National Guard into various locations.

It’s another thing entirely to get them to begin shooting at their fellow citizens.

Credit where it’s due: Trump is learning. He’s learnt about using troops from ‘far away’ for ‘policing’ in a particular area. This is something that the Russians and Chinese are good at. If you have what you consider to be a ‘problem’ in the western part of your country, then you ship in soldiers from the eastern part.

They have no ties to the area in which they’re ‘deployed’. They have no links to places or people, no local kinships or allegiances, no ties to the locations or geography or economy of the place. Hell, they might even be of an entirely different ethnic group. They don’t give a shit about what happens to their ‘deployment’ area, or what they’re ordered to do there. So, let’s take a page from that book, and send Texas Guardsmen to Oregon.

But, the US is different. They’re not going to be all that different in their ethnicity, language, and customs. There’ll be more about the place that’s familiar to them than there is that’s strange.

And they all took an oath to defend these same places and people, not to attack them. As i’ve said before, US service people take that oath quite seriously, indeed.

We saw what happened at the Gathering of the Generals (and Senior Sergeants). Trump was received in total silence. No applause. No cheers. No standing ovations. Not even a smile.

Piss-head Pete got up and gave a big, rallying speech, about ‘we’re the Dept of WAR!’ and being warriors and HOO-AH!.

You could hear crickets chirping when he finished. If you watch the video,

There’s hundreds and hundreds of senior, top-level, experienced, long-term, honour-bound, veteran US military decision makers there, but again, no applause, no cheers, no ovations, no smiles.

Instead, hundreds of stern faces of men and women who are thinking, OK, we seen a dog-and-pony-show. Now, just what the fuck is it that you clowns are trying to rope us into?

Fake-Tan Man and Boozer Boy are not, by any means, sure that they can count on the US miitary to not turn against them, if they try to make push come to shove.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

US President Donald Trump is ramping up efforts to deploy the National Guard in more cities across the country to combat what he claims is a “war from within”

He’s pushing the limits.

It’s one thing to ‘deploy’ the National Guard into various locations.

It’s another thing entirely to get them to begin shooting at their fellow citizens.

Credit where it’s due: Trump is learning. He’s learnt about using troops from ‘far away’ for ‘policing’ in a particular area. This is something that the Russians and Chinese are good at. If you have what you consider to be a ‘problem’ in the western part of your country, then you ship in soldiers from the eastern part.

They have no ties to the area in which they’re ‘deployed’. They have no links to places or people, no local kinships or allegiances, no ties to the locations or geography or economy of the place. Hell, they might even be of an entirely different ethnic group. They don’t give a shit about what happens to their ‘deployment’ area, or what they’re ordered to do there. So, let’s take a page from that book, and send Texas Guardsmen to Oregon.

But, the US is different. They’re not going to be all that different in their ethnicity, language, and customs. There’ll be more about the place that’s familiar to them than there is that’s strange.

And they all took an oath to defend these same places and people, not to attack them. As i’ve said before, US service people take that oath quite seriously, indeed.

We saw what happened at the Gathering of the Generals (and Senior Sergeants). Trump was received in total silence. No applause. No cheers. No standing ovations. Not even a smile.

Piss-head Pete got up and gave a big, rallying speech, about ‘we’re the Dept of WAR!’ and being warriors and HOO-AH!.

You could hear crickets chirping when he finished. If you watch the video,

There’s hundreds and hundreds of senior, top-level, experienced, long-term, honour-bound, veteran US military decision makers there, but again, no applause, no cheers, no ovations, no smiles.

Instead, hundreds of stern faces of men and women who are thinking, OK, we seen a dog-and-pony-show. Now, just what the fuck is it that you clowns are trying to rope us into?

Fake-Tan Man and Boozer Boy are not, by any means, sure that they can count on the US miitary to not turn against them, if they try to make push come to shove.

Well said.
I strongly suspect a great deal of carnage coming up in the US in the remainder of this year.

Spiny Norman said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

US President Donald Trump is ramping up efforts to deploy the National Guard in more cities across the country to combat what he claims is a “war from within”

He’s pushing the limits.

It’s one thing to ‘deploy’ the National Guard into various locations.

It’s another thing entirely to get them to begin shooting at their fellow citizens.

Credit where it’s due: Trump is learning. He’s learnt about using troops from ‘far away’ for ‘policing’ in a particular area. This is something that the Russians and Chinese are good at. If you have what you consider to be a ‘problem’ in the western part of your country, then you ship in soldiers from the eastern part.

They have no ties to the area in which they’re ‘deployed’. They have no links to places or people, no local kinships or allegiances, no ties to the locations or geography or economy of the place. Hell, they might even be of an entirely different ethnic group. They don’t give a shit about what happens to their ‘deployment’ area, or what they’re ordered to do there. So, let’s take a page from that book, and send Texas Guardsmen to Oregon.

But, the US is different. They’re not going to be all that different in their ethnicity, language, and customs. There’ll be more about the place that’s familiar to them than there is that’s strange.

And they all took an oath to defend these same places and people, not to attack them. As i’ve said before, US service people take that oath quite seriously, indeed.

We saw what happened at the Gathering of the Generals (and Senior Sergeants). Trump was received in total silence. No applause. No cheers. No standing ovations. Not even a smile.

Piss-head Pete got up and gave a big, rallying speech, about ‘we’re the Dept of WAR!’ and being warriors and HOO-AH!.

You could hear crickets chirping when he finished. If you watch the video,

There’s hundreds and hundreds of senior, top-level, experienced, long-term, honour-bound, veteran US military decision makers there, but again, no applause, no cheers, no ovations, no smiles.

Instead, hundreds of stern faces of men and women who are thinking, OK, we seen a dog-and-pony-show. Now, just what the fuck is it that you clowns are trying to rope us into?

Fake-Tan Man and Boozer Boy are not, by any means, sure that they can count on the US miitary to not turn against them, if they try to make push come to shove.

Well said.
I strongly suspect a great deal of carnage coming up in the US in the remainder of this year.

The majority would have to say no sooner or later, surely.

Spiny Norman said:

Well said.
I strongly suspect a great deal of carnage coming up in the US in the remainder of this year.

It was an American, Thomas Jefferson, who said that ‘ the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants’.

It may be that the US needs a civil war every other century or so as form of ‘bloodletting’ (in the old medical sense), and for the same purpose: to ‘maintain a balance of the humours, and relieve the system of malignancies’.

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

Well said.
I strongly suspect a great deal of carnage coming up in the US in the remainder of this year.

It was an American, Thomas Jefferson, who said that ‘ the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants’.

It may be that the US needs a civil war every other century or so as form of ‘bloodletting’ (in the old medical sense), and for the same purpose: to ‘maintain a balance of the humours, and relieve the system of malignancies’.

Gosh that takes me back.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

Well said.
I strongly suspect a great deal of carnage coming up in the US in the remainder of this year.

It was an American, Thomas Jefferson, who said that ‘ the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants’.

It may be that the US needs a civil war every other century or so as form of ‘bloodletting’ (in the old medical sense), and for the same purpose: to ‘maintain a balance of the humours, and relieve the system of malignancies’.

Gosh that takes me back.

Back to witch-doctor school?

What Level of Fascism is America Currently in?

From weaponizing the media to calls for mass deportations, we’re seeing a pattern that feels eerily familiar to history. The question is: how far down the path of fascism has America already gone?

In this video, I break down the 5 stages of fascism as defined by political scientist and historian Robert Paxton, and compare each stage to modern-day America. This isn’t about sensationalism — it’s about recognizing the signs, asking critical questions, and understanding the historical parallels that scholars and experts are warning us about.

⚠️ DISCLAIMER: This video is not claiming that America today is identical to 1930s Germany or Italy. History never repeats itself in exactly the same way. Instead, we’ll use a well-established academic framework to analyze whether these stages can help explain the current direction of American politics.

My goal is simple: lay out the facts, explore the patterns, and let you decide for yourself. Are we witnessing democracy under stress — or something much more dangerous?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeLw5R153O8

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

It was an American, Thomas Jefferson, who said that ‘ the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants’.

It may be that the US needs a civil war every other century or so as form of ‘bloodletting’ (in the old medical sense), and for the same purpose: to ‘maintain a balance of the humours, and relieve the system of malignancies’.

Gosh that takes me back.

Back to witch-doctor school?

Yeag. Way back.

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

Well said.
I strongly suspect a great deal of carnage coming up in the US in the remainder of this year.

It was an American, Thomas Jefferson, who said that ‘ the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants’.

It may be that the US needs a civil war every other century or so as form of ‘bloodletting’ (in the old medical sense), and for the same purpose: to ‘maintain a balance of the humours, and relieve the system of malignancies’.

Quite possibly, but he had no idea that Joe Average can now buy a gun that spits out multiple rounds per second, and other even more vicious weapons.

Spiny Norman said:

What Level of Fascism is America Currently in?

From weaponizing the media to calls for mass deportations, we’re seeing a pattern that feels eerily familiar to history. The question is: how far down the path of fascism has America already gone?

In this video, I break down the 5 stages of fascism as defined by political scientist and historian Robert Paxton, and compare each stage to modern-day America. This isn’t about sensationalism — it’s about recognizing the signs, asking critical questions, and understanding the historical parallels that scholars and experts are warning us about.

⚠️ DISCLAIMER: This video is not claiming that America today is identical to 1930s Germany or Italy. History never repeats itself in exactly the same way. Instead, we’ll use a well-established academic framework to analyze whether these stages can help explain the current direction of American politics.

My goal is simple: lay out the facts, explore the patterns, and let you decide for yourself. Are we witnessing democracy under stress — or something much more dangerous?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeLw5R153O8

Thanks. I’ll have a butchers at that.

Spiny Norman said:

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

Well said.
I strongly suspect a great deal of carnage coming up in the US in the remainder of this year.

It was an American, Thomas Jefferson, who said that ‘ the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants’.

It may be that the US needs a civil war every other century or so as form of ‘bloodletting’ (in the old medical sense), and for the same purpose: to ‘maintain a balance of the humours, and relieve the system of malignancies’.

Quite possibly, but he had no idea that Joe Average can now buy a gun that spits out multiple rounds per second, and other even more vicious weapons.

As Gen. Turgidson put it

but unless Joe Average can call on a cab-rank of F-15E Strike Eagles and similar, i think i know which side i’ll put my money on.

Is Dunny Trumpet ‘stiffing’ someone on yet another deal?

ABC News:

captain_spalding said:

Is Dunny Trumpet ‘stiffing’ someone on yet another deal?

ABC News:

beyond us why people choose to cooperate with these fucking scammers

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

Well said.
I strongly suspect a great deal of carnage coming up in the US in the remainder of this year.

It was an American, Thomas Jefferson, who said that ‘ the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants’.

It may be that the US needs a civil war every other century or so as form of ‘bloodletting’ (in the old medical sense), and for the same purpose: to ‘maintain a balance of the humours, and relieve the system of malignancies’.

I think we are a long, long way away from civil war.

But that said, DJT, and his administration, will continue to push the limits of what they feel is their right to do.

The interesting thing will be in four years from now (if the Dems win back the WH) when the people that have enacted a lot of the administrations orders are held accountable and what that ends up looking like.

Is this the beginning of the end of the American empire?

Texan gravy seals arrive in Illinois

ChrispenEvan said:

Texan gravy seals arrive in Illinois

Some look like they have been trained in eating hamburgers and not carrying weapons properly.

Tau.Neutrino said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Texan gravy seals arrive in Illinois

Some look like they have been trained in eating hamburgers and not carrying weapons properly.

Reminds me of those movies where gunnie has to train a bunch of misfits and losers to be real soldiers.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Texan gravy seals arrive in Illinois

Some look like they have been trained in eating hamburgers and not carrying weapons properly.

Reminds me of those movies where gunnie has to train a bunch of misfits and losers to be real soldiers.

ChrispenEvan said:

Texan gravy seals arrive in Illinois

Isn’t there a Trumpban on unfit looking troops?

buffy said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Texan gravy seals arrive in Illinois

Isn’t there a Trumpban on unfit looking troops?

Apparently it is only the generals. Because they can say NO.

In short:

US Attorney-General Pam Bondi has been grilled by senators who are accusing her of using the nation’s justice system to targe Donald Trump’s opponents.

Former FBI director James Comey was indicted late last month, shortly after Mr Trump appeared to berate Ms Bondi over a “lack of action”.
What’s next?

Ms Bondi says she is working to restore public faith in the system and end “the weaponisation of government”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-08/pam-bondi-accused-of-using-doj-to-target-donald-trump-opponents/105864762

roughbarked said:

In short:

US Attorney-General Pam Bondi has been grilled by senators who are accusing her of using the nation’s justice system to targe Donald Trump’s opponents.

Former FBI director James Comey was indicted late last month, shortly after Mr Trump appeared to berate Ms Bondi over a “lack of action”.
What’s next?

Ms Bondi says she is working to restore public faith in the system and end “the weaponisation of government”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-08/pam-bondi-accused-of-using-doj-to-target-donald-trump-opponents/105864762

The US government works in mysterious ways.

buffy said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Texan gravy seals arrive in Illinois

Isn’t there a Trumpban on unfit looking troops?

I thought so.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Texan gravy seals arrive in Illinois

Isn’t there a Trumpban on unfit looking troops?

I thought so.

Maybe only the troops who vote Democrat.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Isn’t there a Trumpban on unfit looking troops?

I thought so.

Maybe only the troops who vote Democrat.

yeah but those wokist vegan communists generally don’t get enough nutrition to be overweight

Trump Declares Atheists are Terrorists.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Trump Declares Atheists are Terrorists.

Over 2 years ago apparently.

https://www.atheistrepublic.com/news/trump-s-attack-atheists-backfires

or has he done it again?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Trump Declares Atheists are Terrorists.

Over 2 years ago apparently.

https://www.atheistrepublic.com/news/trump-s-attack-atheists-backfires

or has he done it again?

Again

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ9Zk4qcUUQ&pp=ugUHEgVlbi1VUw%3D%3D

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Trump Declares Atheists are Terrorists.

Over 2 years ago apparently.

https://www.atheistrepublic.com/news/trump-s-attack-atheists-backfires

or has he done it again?

Again

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ9Zk4qcUUQ&pp=ugUHEgVlbi1VUw%3D%3D

well thankfully that means that Great America can’t possibly be a bunch of fascists because we can’t see any reference to atheists in

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Michael V said:

buffy said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Texan gravy seals arrive in Illinois

Isn’t there a Trumpban on unfit looking troops?

I thought so.

Trumps’ version of ‘fit’ is a loosely clad interpretation. He is fond of saying what great shape he is in.. so the bar is low

ChrispenEvan said:

Texan gravy seals arrive in Illinois

They look like all the fat ones. I though fatty bum bums weren’t welcome anymore.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Trump Declares Atheists are Terrorists.

Over 2 years ago apparently.

https://www.atheistrepublic.com/news/trump-s-attack-atheists-backfires

or has he done it again?

he’s probably (re)read the bible that he likes all the parts of..

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Trump Declares Atheists are Terrorists.

Over 2 years ago apparently.

https://www.atheistrepublic.com/news/trump-s-attack-atheists-backfires

or has he done it again?

Again. Along with the antifascists…ANTIFA, Basically anyone not on board with his ideals. Anyone anti-capitalism is another target.

kii said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Trump Declares Atheists are Terrorists.

Over 2 years ago apparently.

https://www.atheistrepublic.com/news/trump-s-attack-atheists-backfires

or has he done it again?

Again. Along with the antifascists…ANTIFA, Basically anyone not on board with his ideals. Anyone anti-capitalism is another target.

first they came for…

oh dammit SCIENCE!

Arts said:

kii said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Over 2 years ago apparently.

https://www.atheistrepublic.com/news/trump-s-attack-atheists-backfires

or has he done it again?

Again. Along with the antifascists…ANTIFA, Basically anyone not on board with his ideals. Anyone anti-capitalism is another target.

first they came for…

oh dammit SCIENCE!

sorry we actually meant to paste the German version our bad

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Kommunist.
Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten, habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten, habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.
Als sie die Juden einsperrten, habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Jude.
Als sie mich holten, gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.

everyone hates a good atheist

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

I thought so.

Maybe only the troops who vote Democrat.

yeah but those wokist vegan communists generally don’t get enough nutrition to be overweight

According to Jim Wright aka Stonekettle Station, they aren’t prepared for the cold Chicago weather. Also probably won’t be paid as the deployment is one day short of the required 30 days.

kii said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Maybe only the troops who vote Democrat.

yeah but those wokist vegan communists generally don’t get enough nutrition to be overweight

According to Jim Wright aka Stonekettle Station, they aren’t prepared for the cold Chicago weather. Also probably won’t be paid as the deployment is one day short of the required 30 days.

Ah but surely a good covering of natural insulation means they are well prepared¡

kii said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Maybe only the troops who vote Democrat.

yeah but those wokist vegan communists generally don’t get enough nutrition to be overweight

According to Jim Wright aka Stonekettle Station, they aren’t prepared for the cold Chicago weather. Also probably won’t be paid as the deployment is one day short of the required 30 days.

Sending troops into a place notorious for the savagery of its winters, without adequate equipment to cope with those conditions.

Where have i heard of that happening before…?

ChrispenEvan said:

Presentation bias.

I mean, look at how it’s framed there.

The average person, reading that, seeing those images – they might infer from that this bloke did something wrong.

Which is silly. He’s a rich bloke.

captain_spalding said:

kii said:

SCIENCE said:

yeah but those wokist vegan communists generally don’t get enough nutrition to be overweight

According to Jim Wright aka Stonekettle Station, they aren’t prepared for the cold Chicago weather. Also probably won’t be paid as the deployment is one day short of the required 30 days.

Sending troops into a place notorious for the savagery of its winters, without adequate equipment to cope with those conditions.

Where have i heard of that happening before…?

After mr kii enlisted his platoon, or whatever, were outfitted in tropical gear for deployment to Vietnam. They were sent to Oklahoma in the winter to await their transportation, which was then canceled. The plans changed to nice midwinter trip to Germany, after a nice long wait in the freezing cold of Oklahoma.

kii said:

captain_spalding said:

kii said:

According to Jim Wright aka Stonekettle Station, they aren’t prepared for the cold Chicago weather. Also probably won’t be paid as the deployment is one day short of the required 30 days.

Sending troops into a place notorious for the savagery of its winters, without adequate equipment to cope with those conditions.

Where have i heard of that happening before…?

After mr kii enlisted his platoon, or whatever, were outfitted in tropical gear for deployment to Vietnam. They were sent to Oklahoma in the winter to await their transportation, which was then canceled. The plans changed to nice midwinter trip to Germany, after a nice long wait in the freezing cold of Oklahoma.

One thing you learn in the miitary is to laugh at the stuff-ups.

That’s because you can only cry so much before your tear ducts collapse.

captain_spalding said:

kii said:

captain_spalding said:

Sending troops into a place notorious for the savagery of its winters, without adequate equipment to cope with those conditions.

Where have i heard of that happening before…?

After mr kii enlisted his platoon, or whatever, were outfitted in tropical gear for deployment to Vietnam. They were sent to Oklahoma in the winter to await their transportation, which was then canceled. The plans changed to nice midwinter trip to Germany, after a nice long wait in the freezing cold of Oklahoma.

One thing you learn in the miitary is to laugh at the stuff-ups.

That’s because you can only cry so much before your tear ducts collapse.

tears of laughter

It’s an old fashioned fragging, by gar

Andy Borowitz

OSLO—Donald J. Trump reportedly “exploded with rage” on Tuesday after the Norwegian Nobel Committee awarded the 2025 Peace Prize to California Governor Gavin Newsom.

In its official statement, the Nobel committee praised Newsom for “demonstrating his dedication to the principle of peace by preventing an armed conflict between California and Oregon.”

Though the committee did not bestow its prize on Trump, it did recognize him with a laser printed “certificate of participation.”

“Deciding who will win the Peace Prize is an exhausting and stressful process,” the committee stated. “Donald Trump’s entry gave us many hours of welcome laughter.”

ChrispenEvan said:

Andy Borowitz

OSLO—Donald J. Trump reportedly “exploded with rage” on Tuesday after the Norwegian Nobel Committee awarded the 2025 Peace Prize to California Governor Gavin Newsom.

In its official statement, the Nobel committee praised Newsom for “demonstrating his dedication to the principle of peace by preventing an armed conflict between California and Oregon.”

Though the committee did not bestow its prize on Trump, it did recognize him with a laser printed “certificate of participation.”

“Deciding who will win the Peace Prize is an exhausting and stressful process,” the committee stated. “Donald Trump’s entry gave us many hours of welcome laughter.”

Love it!

captain_spalding said:

+1

buffy said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Andy Borowitz

OSLO—Donald J. Trump reportedly “exploded with rage” on Tuesday after the Norwegian Nobel Committee awarded the 2025 Peace Prize to California Governor Gavin Newsom.

In its official statement, the Nobel committee praised Newsom for “demonstrating his dedication to the principle of peace by preventing an armed conflict between California and Oregon.”

Though the committee did not bestow its prize on Trump, it did recognize him with a laser printed “certificate of participation.”

“Deciding who will win the Peace Prize is an exhausting and stressful process,” the committee stated. “Donald Trump’s entry gave us many hours of welcome laughter.”

Love it!

“The leaders of Cambodia, Israel and Pakistan said they nominated US President Donald Trump, but as their nominations were made after the deadline, they are not valid for the 2025 prize.”

No surprise from Israel, but WTF would Cambodia and Pakistan choose to nominate him?

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Andy Borowitz

OSLO—Donald J. Trump reportedly “exploded with rage” on Tuesday after the Norwegian Nobel Committee awarded the 2025 Peace Prize to California Governor Gavin Newsom.

In its official statement, the Nobel committee praised Newsom for “demonstrating his dedication to the principle of peace by preventing an armed conflict between California and Oregon.”

Though the committee did not bestow its prize on Trump, it did recognize him with a laser printed “certificate of participation.”

“Deciding who will win the Peace Prize is an exhausting and stressful process,” the committee stated. “Donald Trump’s entry gave us many hours of welcome laughter.”

Love it!

“The leaders of Cambodia, Israel and Pakistan said they nominated US President Donald Trump, but as their nominations were made after the deadline, they are not valid for the 2025 prize.”

No surprise from Israel, but WTF would Cambodia and Pakistan choose to nominate him?

He helped them fk Thailand and India.

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Over 2 years ago apparently.

https://www.atheistrepublic.com/news/trump-s-attack-atheists-backfires

or has he done it again?

Again

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ9Zk4qcUUQ&pp=ugUHEgVlbi1VUw%3D%3D

well thankfully that means that Great America can’t possibly be a bunch of fascists because we can’t see any reference to atheists in

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Ja!

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Andy Borowitz

OSLO—Donald J. Trump reportedly “exploded with rage” on Tuesday after the Norwegian Nobel Committee awarded the 2025 Peace Prize to California Governor Gavin Newsom.

In its official statement, the Nobel committee praised Newsom for “demonstrating his dedication to the principle of peace by preventing an armed conflict between California and Oregon.”

Though the committee did not bestow its prize on Trump, it did recognize him with a laser printed “certificate of participation.”

“Deciding who will win the Peace Prize is an exhausting and stressful process,” the committee stated. “Donald Trump’s entry gave us many hours of welcome laughter.”

Love it!

“The leaders of Cambodia, Israel and Pakistan said they nominated US President Donald Trump, but as their nominations were made after the deadline, they are not valid for the 2025 prize.”

No surprise from Israel, but WTF would Cambodia and Pakistan choose to nominate him?

So they don’t get tariffed.

ChrispenEvan said:

Shakes head.

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Love it!

“The leaders of Cambodia, Israel and Pakistan said they nominated US President Donald Trump, but as their nominations were made after the deadline, they are not valid for the 2025 prize.”

No surprise from Israel, but WTF would Cambodia and Pakistan choose to nominate him?

He helped them fk Thailand and India.

He ended that war between Cambodia and Armenia, didn’t he?

Neophyte said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

“The leaders of Cambodia, Israel and Pakistan said they nominated US President Donald Trump, but as their nominations were made after the deadline, they are not valid for the 2025 prize.”

No surprise from Israel, but WTF would Cambodia and Pakistan choose to nominate him?

He helped them fk Thailand and India.

He ended that war between Cambodia and Armenia, didn’t he?

Oh yeah, forgot about that.

captain_spalding said:

LOL

ChrispenEvan said:

Andy Borowitz

OSLO—Donald J. Trump reportedly “exploded with rage” on Tuesday after the Norwegian Nobel Committee awarded the 2025 Peace Prize to California Governor Gavin Newsom.

In its official statement, the Nobel committee praised Newsom for “demonstrating his dedication to the principle of peace by preventing an armed conflict between California and Oregon.”

Though the committee did not bestow its prize on Trump, it did recognize him with a laser printed “certificate of participation.”

“Deciding who will win the Peace Prize is an exhausting and stressful process,” the committee stated. “Donald Trump’s entry gave us many hours of welcome laughter.”

:::

He finally ended the war between Kombucha and Alopecia

alleged

alleged

alleged

Neophyte said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

“The leaders of Cambodia, Israel and Pakistan said they nominated US President Donald Trump, but as their nominations were made after the deadline, they are not valid for the 2025 prize.”

No surprise from Israel, but WTF would Cambodia and Pakistan choose to nominate him?

He helped them fk Thailand and India.

He ended that war between Cambodia and Armenia, didn’t he?

Gosh.

I forgot about that claim.

dv said:

He finally ended the war between Kombucha and Alopecia

Also know as the thousand year bald egg war.

Important breaking news from the US.

https://x.com/i/status/1975672532671115386

A bloke in a pickle suit can run faster than the local Police.
I wonder if it was Rick Sanchez?

Spiny Norman said:

Important breaking news from the US.

https://x.com/i/status/1975672532671115386

A bloke in a pickle suit can run faster than the local Police.
I wonder if it was Rick Sanchez?

Dang, it’s an AI video. Sorry about that!

Stephen Miller says Trump has “Plenary Authority” then acts like he’s glitching out because he seems to know he was not supposed to say that. What is Plenary Authority and what are the implications of this? : r/law https://share.google/dQ9PPlXlSwEHFg0vh

Lololol 😆

Stephen Miller has a Tony Abbott moment…

ABC news story

buffy said:

Stephen Miller has a Tony Abbott moment…

ABC news story

Think he realised that he shouldn’t have used the word plenary.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Stephen Miller has a Tony Abbott moment…

ABC news story

Think he realised that he shouldn’t have used the word plenary.

why not

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Stephen Miller has a Tony Abbott moment…

ABC news story

Think he realised that he shouldn’t have used the word plenary.

why not

now that.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Stephen Miller has a Tony Abbott moment…

ABC news story

Think he realised that he shouldn’t have used the word plenary.

why not

Because Trump does not have plenary powers to deploy National Guard units on US soil.

Courts have ruled that such deployments require state consent and are subject to constitutional principles of state sovereignty.

The idea that the President has unlimited power is inconsistent with the constitutional structure and has been challenged in legal rulings. While the President has significant powers, they are always subject to constitutional limits, congressional authority, and judicial review.

“…they are always subject to constitutional limits, congressional authority, and judicial review.”

Well, no-one seems to know that, let alone him.

They’re insane, absolutely full on insane.

kii said:

They’re insane, absolutely full on insane.

Ugh.

Leave-em to it. I don’t want to know any more. I’m over it.

kii said:

They’re insane, absolutely full on insane.

why excuse fascism as mental illness

Michael V said:

kii said:

They’re insane, absolutely full on insane.

Ugh.

Leave-em to it. I don’t want to know any more. I’m over it.

Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk’s right-wing nutjobs, already have their claws into Australia.

Michael V said:

kii said:

They’re insane, absolutely full on insane.

Ugh.

Leave-em to it. I don’t want to know any more. I’m over it.

well give them some quetiapine then or should people not be healthwashing harmful ideology as mental illness

kii said:

Michael V said:

kii said:

They’re insane, absolutely full on insane.

Ugh.

Leave-em to it. I don’t want to know any more. I’m over it.

Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk’s right-wing nutjobs, already have their claws into Australia.

Plus we have our own crazies like the Plymouth Brethren causing all sort of delightful electoral shenanigans.

America’s Rich Don’t Want You To Know This Simple Way To Stop Oligarchy 10 min

The Thom Hartmann Program is the leading progressive political talk radio show for political news and comments about Government politics, be it Liberal or Conservative, plus special guests and callers.

The poison of big money is seeping through the veins of our political system in ever-larger quantities. If not stopped, this process can be fatal. No democratic republic in history has ever survived as a functioning democracy more than a few generations once political bribery is either legalized or simply becomes widespread due to weak law enforcement.

===

De-Oligarchisation

Volodymyr Zelenskyy ran for President on an anti-oligarchy platform and won.

The Bill on Oligarchs in Ukraine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bill_on_Oligarchs_in_Ukraine

The Bill on Oligarchs in Unkraine, also known as De-Oligarchisation, is a political measure launched by Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy directed against the large entrepreneurs’ influence on political processes. It received the corresponding name after the registration of the bill “On the Prevention of Threats to National Security Related to the Excessive Influence of Persons who have Significant Economic or Political Weight in Public Life (Oligarchs)” (Reg. No. 5599).

Tau.Neutrino said:

America’s Rich Don’t Want You To Know This Simple Way To Stop Oligarchy 10 min

The Thom Hartmann Program is the leading progressive political talk radio show for political news and comments about Government politics, be it Liberal or Conservative, plus special guests and callers.

The poison of big money is seeping through the veins of our political system in ever-larger quantities. If not stopped, this process can be fatal. No democratic republic in history has ever survived as a functioning democracy more than a few generations once political bribery is either legalized or simply becomes widespread due to weak law enforcement.

===

De-Oligarchisation

Volodymyr Zelenskyy ran for President on an anti-oligarchy platform and won.

The Bill on Oligarchs in Ukraine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bill_on_Oligarchs_in_Ukraine

The Bill on Oligarchs in Unkraine, also known as De-Oligarchisation, is a political measure launched by Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy directed against the large entrepreneurs’ influence on political processes. It received the corresponding name after the registration of the bill “On the Prevention of Threats to National Security Related to the Excessive Influence of Persons who have Significant Economic or Political Weight in Public Life (Oligarchs)” (Reg. No. 5599).

deal with our oligarch problem and you
know I start out by telling the story of
Victor medvetcher
he was the Rupert Murdoch of Ukraine
he was a billionaire oligarch who owned
a right-wing television network and a
whole bunch of TV stations along with a
bunch of other businesses in Ukraine and
his TV network was constantly spewing
hate and and Division and and he was you
know he owned a bunch of politicians and
and was promoting tax cuts for the rich
and all this kind of stuff right I mean
just
just a a a an incredible parallel
and then came Vladimir zielinski
zielinski ran for president of Ukraine
and won on an anti
oligarch anti-corruption platform
and last year it became it became law on
the first week of June of last year of
2022 zielinski passed a law
to strip oligarchs of their ability to
influence elections in Ukraine
Yes you heard that right he did the same
thing that that that Teddy Roosevelt and
Franklin Roosevelt did I mean it’s just
it was just incredible they call it d
oligarchization
seriously this is not a word I made up
it’s it’s what they call their law the D
oligarchization law of Ukraine
and basically what they’re saying is you
know we don’t have a problem with you
being rich in Ukraine and we don’t have
a problem with you having a political
opinion but if you use your riches to
get what you want politically that’s
wrong that’s now a crime
and
you know and what zielinski said in fact
when he declared when he uh rolled out
this law May 18th 2021 he said in order
to succeed Ukraine must become a rule of
law democracy that works in the interest
of the many rather than the few
he said in order to realize our
potential we must create a fair and
functional system that protects the
rights of the entire population rather
than just safeguarding the interests of
the oligarchs our ultimate objective
this is the president of Ukraine saying
this a year and a half ago two years ago
saying our ultimate objective is to
destroy the traditional oligarchic order
and replace it with a fairer system that
will allow Ukraine to flourish
now under this law that they passed in
Ukraine that went into effect in June of
last year was passed in 2021 cranian is
by definition an oligarch if they meet
three out of the four following criteria
number one they have a net worth greater
than 89 million dollars number two they
have significant in quotes influence
over mass media number three they
control a business that exercises
Monopoly influence over part of the
economy and number four they involve
themselves in politics through funding
politicians political parties political
campaigns or think tanks in other words
do they quote take part in political
life
if they do
if they beat three out of those four
criteria then number one they’re
included on the official register of
Ukrainian oligarchs published by the
government number two they may not run
for political office they may not fund
political parties and they may not have
any influence over any meaningful fart
of Ukrainian political life number three
they not may not purchase any state
assets that are privatized they’re still
in the process of privatizing a lot of
the old soviet-era stuff number four
they must disclose their assets and and
this is where I first learned about this
was the financial times had a piece
about this and they they called these
exhaustive declarations and number five
government officials are now required in
Ukraine to report any meeting
with any oligarch just lunch you got to
report it Clarence Thomas you want to
have you want to go on vacation you got
to report it
now we once had a similar tradition here
in the United States
in fact Americans want this right now
and Donald Trump was running for
president you will recall
during the Republican primary in one of
the debates he came out and he’s he was
talking about the oligarchs which is
kind of ironic because he’s one himself
but he said he was he was speaking of
Jeb Bush and the other Republicans on
the stage and he said they’ll be
bombarded by their lobbyists that
donated a lot of money to them again Jeb
raised 107 million dollars okay they’re
not putting that money up because it’s a
wonderful charity well it’s a charity
but for them not for America
and you know when he goes on to his rant
about this and says he’s going to deal
with the oligarch problem he’s going to
raise taxes so much that his friends are
going to hate him well of course he
didn’t do that he cut taxes on
billionaires but you know Donald Trump
was always lying through his teeth but
the fact of the matter is that millions
and millions of people voted for him
because they thought he was going to D
oligarch eyes America
we had laws like this on the books in
1907 we had the Tillman act which which
made it a federal crime for any wealthy
executive of a large corporation to give
any money or support to any candidate
for federal office but States had laws
like this too the Wisconsin law for
example this was actually on the books
in Wisconsin until the Supreme Court
overturned it
I’ll just I’ll just read it to you
there’s two sentences no Corporation
doing the business in this state shall
pay or contribute or offer consent or
agree to pay or contribute directly or
indirectly any money property free
service service of its officers or
employees or thing of value to and
political party organization committee
or individual for any political purpose
whatsoever or for the purpose of
influencing legislation of any kind or
to promote or defeat the candidacy of
any person for nomination appointment or
election to any political office
now what were the penalties for this any
quote any officer employee agent or
attorney or other representative of any
Corporation who shall violate this act
shall be punished upon conviction by
imprisonment in the state prison for a
period of not less than one nor more
than five years and if a domestic
Corporation it may be dissolved and if a
foreign or non-resident Corporation it’s
right to do business in this state may
be declared forfeit
this is the kind of law we need to bring
back this is the kind of law we had in
America for a hundred years until five
corrupt Republicans on the U.S Supreme
Court blew it up
and by the way the deciding vote in
citizens united was Clarence Thomas and
this was after he had developed his
relationship with with Harlan Crowe
an American oligarch
after after that law was struck down and
all the others by citizens united and
the and its predecessors
um the following states had to strike
down laws that were very similar to the
one that I just read you from Wisconsin
they included Alaska Arizona Colorado
Connecticut Iowa Kentucky Minnesota
Montana North Carolina South Dakota
Tennessee Texas West Virginia and as
I’ve read to you Wisconsin
so you know we need to be doing the same
thing we need to bring this back we need
to end
the oligarch control of American
politics and American Media
and it can be done now the biggest
challenge of course is going to be
blowing up the Supreme Court’s you know
this corrupt citizens united decision
where Clarence Thomas was the deciding
vote
done by five corrupt Republicans
Congress has the ability to do that
unambiguously article 3 section 2 gives
Congress the right to regulate the
Supreme Court and to create exceptions
to what the Supreme Court May rule on
it’s it’s not even something that’s Up
For Debate
the question is do we have enough votes
to get it through Congress we had a
piece of legislation that would have
done much of this that would have
reversed much of citizens united
and that would have stripped a lot of
political big political money out of
politics it was called the for the
people act H.R one and it passed the
House of Representatives and when it got
to the Senate it had 50 votes in the
Senate plus the the vice president
and it would have become law if the
Republicans had not filibustered it but
then the Republicans filibustered it and
then you know Joe manchin and Kirsten
Cinema refused to go along with all the
other Democrats in blowing up that
filibuster
so here we are what do we do well the
only thing we can do we have an election
coming up in a year and a half and we
need to get everybody we know registered
to vote get them registered to vote get
them active get them aware wake them the
hell up and from here you know with this
we might be able to take our country
back from the oligarchs we have we are
we are more of an oligarchy than we have
ever been in our history three men in
America own more wealth than the bottom
half of Americans
I mean let that sink in and they’re
using that money to make sure that they
never again have to pay more than 3.1
percent in income taxes that’s the
effective income tax rate right now for
American oligarchs we got to do
something

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Think he realised that he shouldn’t have used the word plenary.

why not

Because Trump does not have plenary powers to deploy National Guard units on US soil.

Courts have ruled that such deployments require state consent and are subject to constitutional principles of state sovereignty.

The idea that the President has unlimited power is inconsistent with the constitutional structure and has been challenged in legal rulings. While the President has significant powers, they are always subject to constitutional limits, congressional authority, and judicial review.

well anyway apparently lefter than communism far left CNN are covering for the fascists

Mr Miller then appeared to freeze on camera mid-sentence. Immediately after, CNN host Boris Sanchez suggested that there were some technical difficulties that forced them to take a commercial break. “It seems, Stephen, I apologise. It seems like we’re having a technical issue. We’ll try to fix that and get back to you after a quick break,” he said. However, viewers on social media, where the video has since gone viral, suggested Mr Miller was still blinking, implying he deliberately stopped talking.

After the commercial break, Mr Sanchez then asked Mr Miller the question again. But this time, Mr Miller omitted the word “plenary” from his response. “But I was making the point that under federal law, Section Title 10 of the US Code, the president has the authority anytime he believes federal resources are insufficient, to federalise the National Guard to carry out a mission necessary for public safety.”

CNN does have a transcript of the entire interview on its website, which includes the word “plenary” being used. However, the official video posted on the CNN website and YouTube page appears to have cut out the initial question asked by Mr Sanchez.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-08/stephen-miller-donald-trump-plenary-authority/105865430

“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”

so it’s true

De-Oligarchisation

De-Oligarchisation

De-Oligarchisation

:)

Physicists improve precision of atomic clocks by reducing quantum noise

>>>Today’s atomic clocks operate by tracking cesium atoms, which tick over 10 billion times per second.

>>>next-generation atomic clocks that rely on even faster-ticking atoms such as ytterbium, which can be tracked with lasers at higher optical frequencies. If they can be kept stable, optical atomic clocks could track even finer intervals of time, up to 100 trillion times per second.

>>>Now, MIT physicists have found a way to improve the stability of optical atomic clocks, by reducing “quantum noise“—

More…

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The Dark Reason The Rich Hate Democracy Revealed 12 min

My synopsis

Rich people fearing that the growing middle class would have enough time to indulge in politics, enter Ronald Reagan.

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Dark Reason The Rich Hate Democracy Revealed 12 min

My synopsis

Rich people fearing that the growing middle class would have enough time to indulge in politics, enter Ronald Reagan.

Brian Eno perfectly explains selfishness of the super rich

From Texas Reporter’s Facebook page…

So THIS is who’s briefing President Trump on “Antifa”?

Not security experts. Not researchers. Not law enforcement. Just another so-called “independent journalist” — influencer edition.

Meet Katie Daviscourt, one of the right-wing content creators invited to the White House to “brief” the President on Antifa. Translation: a social media photo-op with people whose entire brand is filming protests, editing out context, and selling outrage for clicks.

Let’s be real — these aren’t experts on extremism. They’re influencers with ring lights, microphones , and a political agenda.

And about “Antifa”? There’s no HQ. No membership cards. No central command. It’s not an organization — it’s a label people use for anti-fascist activism. But calling it a “terror army” sounds scarier on Fox, right?

Trump didn’t invite scholars or journalists with credibility. He invited creators who tell him what he already wants to hear. Echo chamber politics at its finest.

So now, instead of counterterrorism experts, we’ve got selfie reporters in the Situation Room — because why rely on facts when you can farm followers?

kii said:

From Texas Reporter’s Facebook page…

So THIS is who’s briefing President Trump on “Antifa”?

Not security experts. Not researchers. Not law enforcement. Just another so-called “independent journalist” — influencer edition.

Meet Katie Daviscourt, one of the right-wing content creators invited to the White House to “brief” the President on Antifa. Translation: a social media photo-op with people whose entire brand is filming protests, editing out context, and selling outrage for clicks.

Let’s be real — these aren’t experts on extremism. They’re influencers with ring lights, microphones , and a political agenda.

And about “Antifa”? There’s no HQ. No membership cards. No central command. It’s not an organization — it’s a label people use for anti-fascist activism. But calling it a “terror army” sounds scarier on Fox, right?

Trump didn’t invite scholars or journalists with credibility. He invited creators who tell him what he already wants to hear. Echo chamber politics at its finest.

So now, instead of counterterrorism experts, we’ve got selfie reporters in the Situation Room — because why rely on facts when you can farm followers?

And, she ‘just happens to be’ the ‘type’ that Trump likes.

Exactly. Including the cross.

America let a court bring in billionaires to the White house administration, before that court decision no billionaires were part of the white house administration.

A court decided. Muddied the law.

kii said:

From Texas Reporter’s Facebook page…

So THIS is who’s briefing President Trump on “Antifa”?

Not security experts. Not researchers. Not law enforcement. Just another so-called “independent journalist” — influencer edition.

Meet Katie Daviscourt, one of the right-wing content creators invited to the White House to “brief” the President on Antifa. Translation: a social media photo-op with people whose entire brand is filming protests, editing out context, and selling outrage for clicks.

Let’s be real — these aren’t experts on extremism. They’re influencers with ring lights, microphones , and a political agenda.

And about “Antifa”? There’s no HQ. No membership cards. No central command. It’s not an organization — it’s a label people use for anti-fascist activism. But calling it a “terror army” sounds scarier on Fox, right?

Trump didn’t invite scholars or journalists with credibility. He invited creators who tell him what he already wants to hear. Echo chamber politics at its finest.

So now, instead of counterterrorism experts, we’ve got selfie reporters in the Situation Room — because why rely on facts when you can farm followers?

Sigh.

“There are many other confirmations — there are two studies that show children who are circumcised early have double the rate of autism. It’s highly likely because they are given Tylenol.”
-junior kennedy

Also he’s seen a Tiktok of a woman who is 8 months pregnant eating handfuls of “Tylenol”, because….why not?

Off to refresh my autism with my morning dose of Tylenol.

If Trump doesn’t get the Nobel Peace Prize, he could drop the Gaza plan and move on to a new shiny thing.

Peak Warming Man said:

If Trump doesn’t get the Nobel Peace Prize, he could drop the Gaza plan and move on to a new shiny thing.

Like invading Greenland and releasing the Epstein files.

kii said:

“There are many other confirmations — there are two studies that show children who are circumcised early have double the rate of autism. It’s highly likely because they are given Tylenol.”
-junior kennedy

Also he’s seen a Tiktok of a woman who is 8 months pregnant eating handfuls of “Tylenol”, because….why not?

Off to refresh my autism with my morning dose of Tylenol.

Sorry to tell you this, but once you have caught autism, it stays with you for life.

kii said:

“There are many other confirmations — there are two studies that show children who are circumcised early have double the rate of autism. It’s highly likely because they are given Tylenol.”
-junior kennedy

Also he’s seen a Tiktok of a woman who is 8 months pregnant eating handfuls of “Tylenol”, because….why not?

Off to refresh my autism with my morning dose of Tylenol.

I’m not inclined to take advice from a man whose idea of recreation is to drive around with animal carcasses that he’s found (or parts thereof) in/on his car, perhaps dumping them in public spaces.

Peak Warming Man said:

If Trump doesn’t get the Nobel Peace Prize, he could drop the Gaza plan and move on to a new shiny thing.

You know you said that out loud, don’t you?

captain_spalding said:

kii said:

“There are many other confirmations — there are two studies that show children who are circumcised early have double the rate of autism. It’s highly likely because they are given Tylenol.”
-junior kennedy

Also he’s seen a Tiktok of a woman who is 8 months pregnant eating handfuls of “Tylenol”, because….why not?

Off to refresh my autism with my morning dose of Tylenol.

I’m not inclined to take advice from a man whose idea of recreation is to drive around with animal carcasses that he’s found (or parts thereof) in/on his car, perhaps dumping them in public spaces.

So¿ The problem is autistic subpeople not nation-loving fascist disinformation agents.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-antifa-portland-pam-bondi-posobiec-b2842048.html

Not to be outdone, in came Jack Posobiec, one of the right’s weirdest hangers-on, who is perhaps most famous for the time he spread the “Pizzagate” theory and then got removed from the pizzeria in question by police for filming a child’s birthday party. Running with the major theme of the hour — that Antifa is definitely, certainly, really real despite all evidence to the contrary, and that everybody needs to stop saying it’s not real — Posobiec made a startling claim: Antifa is so clearly real that it “has been going on for almost 100 years … going back to the Weimar Republic in Germany”.

dv said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-antifa-portland-pam-bondi-posobiec-b2842048.html

Not to be outdone, in came Jack Posobiec, one of the right’s weirdest hangers-on, who is perhaps most famous for the time he spread the “Pizzagate” theory and then got removed from the pizzeria in question by police for filming a child’s birthday party. Running with the major theme of the hour — that Antifa is definitely, certainly, really real despite all evidence to the contrary, and that everybody needs to stop saying it’s not real — Posobiec made a startling claim: Antifa is so clearly real that it “has been going on for almost 100 years … going back to the Weimar Republic in Germany”.

so we should be speaking German after all

dv said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-antifa-portland-pam-bondi-posobiec-b2842048.html

Not to be outdone, in came Jack Posobiec, one of the right’s weirdest hangers-on, who is perhaps most famous for the time he spread the “Pizzagate” theory and then got removed from the pizzeria in question by police for filming a child’s birthday party. Running with the major theme of the hour — that Antifa is definitely, certainly, really real despite all evidence to the contrary, and that everybody needs to stop saying it’s not real — Posobiec made a startling claim: Antifa is so clearly real that it “has been going on for almost 100 years … going back to the Weimar Republic in Germany”.

Well, even before that.

I mean, Mussolini was running about in Italy, being fascistic all over the place, a good couple of years before Hitler and his mob jumped on the bandwagon.

And, there was people who didn’t think fascism was all that much of a good idea, then, either. And they said so.

So, anti-fascism (i.e. ‘antifa’) has, indeed, been around for quite a while.

If Trump’s mob feel threatened by an ideology which is opposed to fascism (the clue is in the name, which Trump etc. quote freely), maybe they should ask themselves why that is.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-antifa-portland-pam-bondi-posobiec-b2842048.html

Not to be outdone, in came Jack Posobiec, one of the right’s weirdest hangers-on, who is perhaps most famous for the time he spread the “Pizzagate” theory and then got removed from the pizzeria in question by police for filming a child’s birthday party. Running with the major theme of the hour — that Antifa is definitely, certainly, really real despite all evidence to the contrary, and that everybody needs to stop saying it’s not real — Posobiec made a startling claim: Antifa is so clearly real that it “has been going on for almost 100 years … going back to the Weimar Republic in Germany”.

Well, even before that.

I mean, Mussolini was running about in Italy, being fascistic all over the place, a good couple of years before Hitler and his mob jumped on the bandwagon.

And, there was people who didn’t think fascism was all that much of a good idea, then, either. And they said so.

So, anti-fascism (i.e. ‘antifa’) has, indeed, been around for quite a while.

If Trump’s mob feel threatened by an ideology which is opposed to fascism (the clue is in the name, which Trump etc. quote freely), maybe they should ask themselves why that is.

That would involve truthful self-reflection, and I’ve seen no weather reports suggesting hell has frozen over.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-antifa-portland-pam-bondi-posobiec-b2842048.html

Not to be outdone, in came Jack Posobiec, one of the right’s weirdest hangers-on, who is perhaps most famous for the time he spread the “Pizzagate” theory and then got removed from the pizzeria in question by police for filming a child’s birthday party. Running with the major theme of the hour — that Antifa is definitely, certainly, really real despite all evidence to the contrary, and that everybody needs to stop saying it’s not real — Posobiec made a startling claim: Antifa is so clearly real that it “has been going on for almost 100 years … going back to the Weimar Republic in Germany”.

Well, even before that.

I mean, Mussolini was running about in Italy, being fascistic all over the place, a good couple of years before Hitler and his mob jumped on the bandwagon.

And, there was people who didn’t think fascism was all that much of a good idea, then, either. And they said so.

So, anti-fascism (i.e. ‘antifa’) has, indeed, been around for quite a while.

If Trump’s mob feel threatened by an ideology which is opposed to fascism (the clue is in the name, which Trump etc. quote freely), maybe they should ask themselves why that is.

It did exist, but it was kinda disbanded after WW2. After the war everyone was in agreement that fascism was a bad idea. So there was no need to maintain the movement, since there was nothing left of the main thing they were opposed to.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-antifa-portland-pam-bondi-posobiec-b2842048.html

Not to be outdone, in came Jack Posobiec, one of the right’s weirdest hangers-on, who is perhaps most famous for the time he spread the “Pizzagate” theory and then got removed from the pizzeria in question by police for filming a child’s birthday party. Running with the major theme of the hour — that Antifa is definitely, certainly, really real despite all evidence to the contrary, and that everybody needs to stop saying it’s not real — Posobiec made a startling claim: Antifa is so clearly real that it “has been going on for almost 100 years … going back to the Weimar Republic in Germany”.

Well, even before that.

I mean, Mussolini was running about in Italy, being fascistic all over the place, a good couple of years before Hitler and his mob jumped on the bandwagon.

And, there was people who didn’t think fascism was all that much of a good idea, then, either. And they said so.

So, anti-fascism (i.e. ‘antifa’) has, indeed, been around for quite a while.

If Trump’s mob feel threatened by an ideology which is opposed to fascism (the clue is in the name, which Trump etc. quote freely), maybe they should ask themselves why that is.

It did exist, but it was kinda disbanded after WW2. After the war everyone was in agreement that fascism was a bad idea. So there was no need to maintain the movement, since there was nothing left of the main thing they were opposed to.

All too busy being antiso.

kii said:

in that second one he says that no-one else in the room could be that good.. literally calling then stupid – to which they all responded with shit eating grins and laughter… this ballsack gets admiration for being an arsehole to everyone around him.. every day I think there cannot be a lower display of idiocy, and every day they prove me wrong…

Arts said:

kii said:

in that second one he says that no-one else in the room could be that good.. literally calling then stupid – to which they all responded with shit eating grins and laughter… this ballsack gets admiration for being an arsehole to everyone around him.. every day I think there cannot be a lower display of idiocy, and every day they prove me wrong…

Arts said:

kii said:

in that second one he says that no-one else in the room could be that good.. literally calling then stupid – to which they all responded with shit eating grins and laughter… this ballsack gets admiration for being an arsehole to everyone around him.. every day I think there cannot be a lower display of idiocy, and every day they prove me wrong…

He was probably told he was in the 10th percentile and he’s taken it to mean he’s in the top 10% smartest people ever.

Arts said:

kii said:

in that second one he says that no-one else in the room could be that good.. literally calling then stupid – to which they all responded with shit eating grins and laughter… this ballsack gets admiration for being an arsehole to everyone around him.. every day I think there cannot be a lower display of idiocy, and every day they prove me wrong…

You too, hey.

Arts said:

kii said:

in that second one he says that no-one else in the room could be that good.. literally calling then stupid – to which they all responded with shit eating grins and laughter… this ballsack gets admiration for being an arsehole to everyone around him.. every day I think there cannot be a lower display of idiocy, and every day they prove me wrong…

Trump is exhibiting so many signs of dementia that the people around him, especially his family, are guilty of elder abuse by their continuing use of his position as president.

captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

kii said:

in that second one he says that no-one else in the room could be that good.. literally calling then stupid – to which they all responded with shit eating grins and laughter… this ballsack gets admiration for being an arsehole to everyone around him.. every day I think there cannot be a lower display of idiocy, and every day they prove me wrong…

:)

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

in that second one he says that no-one else in the room could be that good.. literally calling then stupid – to which they all responded with shit eating grins and laughter… this ballsack gets admiration for being an arsehole to everyone around him.. every day I think there cannot be a lower display of idiocy, and every day they prove me wrong…

:)

Barack Obama, sounding all presidential: “After two years of unimaginable loss and suffering for Israeli families and the people of Gaza, we should all be encouraged and relieved that an end to the conflict is within sight; that those hostages still being held will be reunited with their families; and that vital aid can start reaching those inside Gaza whose lives have been shattered. More than that, though, it now falls on Israelis and Palestinians, with the support of the U.S. and the entire world community, to begin the hard task of rebuilding Gaza – and to commit to a process that, by recognizing the common humanity and basic rights of both peoples, can achieve a lasting peace.”

captain_spalding said:

LOL

:)

kii said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

:)

Barack Obama, sounding all presidential: “After two years of unimaginable loss and suffering for Israeli families and the people of Gaza, we should all be encouraged and relieved that an end to the conflict is within sight; that those hostages still being held will be reunited with their families; and that vital aid can start reaching those inside Gaza whose lives have been shattered. More than that, though, it now falls on Israelis and Palestinians, with the support of the U.S. and the entire world community, to begin the hard task of rebuilding Gaza – and to commit to a process that, by recognizing the common humanity and basic rights of both peoples, can achieve a lasting peace.”

Obama was too sensible and decent for much of the USA to handle.

doit

kii said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

:)

Barack Obama, sounding all presidential: “After two years of unimaginable loss and suffering for Israeli families and the people of Gaza, we should all be encouraged and relieved that an end to the conflict is within sight; that those hostages still being held will be reunited with their families; and that vital aid can start reaching those inside Gaza whose lives have been shattered. More than that, though, it now falls on Israelis and Palestinians, with the support of the U.S. and the entire world community, to begin the hard task of rebuilding Gaza – and to commit to a process that, by recognizing the common humanity and basic rights of both peoples, can achieve a lasting peace.”

I give it a week.

I mean for absolute real … why would they bring up the Antifa from Germany in the 1920s? How does this help their case? Do they think people side with the enemies of that version of Antifa? Are they actually stupid. I don’t get it.

captain_spalding said:

kii said:

Michael V said:

:)

Barack Obama, sounding all presidential: “After two years of unimaginable loss and suffering for Israeli families and the people of Gaza, we should all be encouraged and relieved that an end to the conflict is within sight; that those hostages still being held will be reunited with their families; and that vital aid can start reaching those inside Gaza whose lives have been shattered. More than that, though, it now falls on Israelis and Palestinians, with the support of the U.S. and the entire world community, to begin the hard task of rebuilding Gaza – and to commit to a process that, by recognizing the common humanity and basic rights of both peoples, can achieve a lasting peace.”

I give it a week.

maybe two.

dv said:

I mean for absolute real … why would they bring up the Antifa from Germany in the 1920s? How does this help their case? Do they think people side with the enemies of that version of Antifa? Are they actually stupid. I don’t get it.

Perhaps you assume people have minds that can think critically.

kii said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

:)

Barack Obama, sounding all presidential: “After two years of unimaginable loss and suffering for Israeli families and the people of Gaza, we should all be encouraged and relieved that an end to the conflict is within sight; that those hostages still being held will be reunited with their families; and that vital aid can start reaching those inside Gaza whose lives have been shattered. More than that, though, it now falls on Israelis and Palestinians, with the support of the U.S. and the entire world community, to begin the hard task of rebuilding Gaza – and to commit to a process that, by recognizing the common humanity and basic rights of both peoples, can achieve a lasting peace.”

Nice.

dv said:

I mean for absolute real … why would they bring up the Antifa from Germany in the 1920s? How does this help their case? Do they think people side with the enemies of that version of Antifa? Are they actually stupid. I don’t get it.

Maybe they really are that stupid.

Michael V said:

dv said:

I mean for absolute real … why would they bring up the Antifa from Germany in the 1920s? How does this help their case? Do they think people side with the enemies of that version of Antifa? Are they actually stupid. I don’t get it.

Maybe they really are that stupid.

uh we understand that it’s actually a clever strategy because like scammers they are looking to identify the people that buy in

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

I mean for absolute real … why would they bring up the Antifa from Germany in the 1920s? How does this help their case? Do they think people side with the enemies of that version of Antifa? Are they actually stupid. I don’t get it.

Maybe they really are that stupid.

uh we understand that it’s actually a clever strategy because like scammers they are looking to identify the people that buy in

our bad please replace “like” with “as” and that’s what we mean

captain_spalding said:

kii said:

Michael V said:

:)

Barack Obama, sounding all presidential: “After two years of unimaginable loss and suffering for Israeli families and the people of Gaza, we should all be encouraged and relieved that an end to the conflict is within sight; that those hostages still being held will be reunited with their families; and that vital aid can start reaching those inside Gaza whose lives have been shattered. More than that, though, it now falls on Israelis and Palestinians, with the support of the U.S. and the entire world community, to begin the hard task of rebuilding Gaza – and to commit to a process that, by recognizing the common humanity and basic rights of both peoples, can achieve a lasting peace.”

I give it a week.

You mean, as soon as the Israeli hostages are returned…

I really would like to be hopeful, but I’m not.

dv said:

I mean for absolute real … why would they bring up the Antifa from Germany in the 1920s? How does this help their case? Do they think people side with the enemies of that version of Antifa? Are they actually stupid. I don’t get it.

So much depdends on the word ‘antifa’.

Rather than use ‘anti-fascist’, the Trumpers/MAGA use ‘antifa’, which obscures the significance of the term.

There’s a lot of people who really don’t know what ‘antifa’ means. They know that (a) Trump and Co. say it’s bad, (b) it sounds a bit like that ‘intifada’ word was getting used a lot a little whille back, and that was a bad thing, © it sounds sort of vaguely middle-Eastern, so, you know…

And all of the media seem to treat it like being some sort of unified, tangible organisation, like some kind of political party or secret society, so, again, you know…

How can Trump, MAGA, Fox News, and a lazy and subservient media structure ALL be wrong? Huh?

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

kii said:

Barack Obama, sounding all presidential: “After two years of unimaginable loss and suffering for Israeli families and the people of Gaza, we should all be encouraged and relieved that an end to the conflict is within sight; that those hostages still being held will be reunited with their families; and that vital aid can start reaching those inside Gaza whose lives have been shattered. More than that, though, it now falls on Israelis and Palestinians, with the support of the U.S. and the entire world community, to begin the hard task of rebuilding Gaza – and to commit to a process that, by recognizing the common humanity and basic rights of both peoples, can achieve a lasting peace.”

I give it a week.

You mean, as soon as the Israeli hostages are returned…

I really would like to be hopeful, but I’m not.

Well it is going to take a team of better mediators than the Trump ensemble.

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

kii said:

Barack Obama, sounding all presidential: “After two years of unimaginable loss and suffering for Israeli families and the people of Gaza, we should all be encouraged and relieved that an end to the conflict is within sight; that those hostages still being held will be reunited with their families; and that vital aid can start reaching those inside Gaza whose lives have been shattered. More than that, though, it now falls on Israelis and Palestinians, with the support of the U.S. and the entire world community, to begin the hard task of rebuilding Gaza – and to commit to a process that, by recognizing the common humanity and basic rights of both peoples, can achieve a lasting peace.”

I give it a week.

You mean, as soon as the Israeli hostages are returned…

I really would like to be hopeful, but I’m not.

No, i mean until the HAMAS guys get bored, and realise they might have to look for jobs, or go back to watching Uncle Hamad’s goats, or until the Qataris and the Iranians start to demand some showbiz for all the money they have been and are pumping into Gaza and HAMAS.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

I mean for absolute real … why would they bring up the Antifa from Germany in the 1920s? How does this help their case? Do they think people side with the enemies of that version of Antifa? Are they actually stupid. I don’t get it.

So much depdends on the word ‘antifa’.

Rather than use ‘anti-fascist’, the Trumpers/MAGA use ‘antifa’, which obscures the significance of the term.

There’s a lot of people who really don’t know what ‘antifa’ means. They know that (a) Trump and Co. say it’s bad, (b) it sounds a bit like that ‘intifada’ word was getting used a lot a little whille back, and that was a bad thing, © it sounds sort of vaguely middle-Eastern, so, you know…

And all of the media seem to treat it like being some sort of unified, tangible organisation, like some kind of political party or secret society, so, again, you know…

How can Trump, MAGA, Fox News, and a lazy and subservient media structure ALL be wrong? Huh?

People who are so deluded they believe they are intelligent but are actually incredibly stupid.
They get away with it by chanting mindless slogans like MAGA that people buy into
Especially were patriotism is drummed into you almost from birth so you accept your government is the best (the best Jerry)
Don’t realise what a shit deal you get until you hear how it is in other nations

captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

I give it a week.

You mean, as soon as the Israeli hostages are returned…

I really would like to be hopeful, but I’m not.

No, i mean until the HAMAS guys get bored, and realise they might have to look for jobs, or go back to watching Uncle Hamad’s goats, or until the Qataris and the Iranians start to demand some showbiz for all the money they have been and are pumping into Gaza and HAMAS.

So, on the day of the beginning, when the Israeli people were taken, quite a lot of Gazan men were in Israel working. I remember reading that they were being held, ie were not allowed to go home. Are they still being held, does anyone know?